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Post by Nessie on May 12, 2022 13:34:39 GMT
Turnagain weasel dodges that there is no evidence of hundreds of transports leaving TII full of people. There are no documents, no witnesses from TII, no witnesses from the trains and no evidence of any sort of hundreds of thousands arriving at other places, to be fed, clothed and accommodated. Talking about feeding and clothing, the Nazis had stripped people of everything when they arrived at TII, cut their hair and removed their gold teeth. So, according to Turnagain, the resettlement process was of naked people with no hair and missing teeth!!! And there are no bodies either, so you weasel dodge that this is not evidence of mass murder. There are large areas of buried cremated and larger human remains. According to you, they were sent for resettlement naked, since all their clothes were taken from them. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 12, 2022 13:53:07 GMT
And there are no bodies either, so you weasel dodge that this is not evidence of mass murder. There are large areas of buried cremated and larger human remains. According to you, they were sent for resettlement naked, since all their clothes were taken from them. No there are not. While it's conceivable that there are some bodies buried there it's most likely in the magnitude and circumstances of Belzec. There are no enormous amounts of cremains. Being sent from the camp naked is silly. No one in Reich camps was ever naked unless dead and stripped or bathing in showers. |
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Post by Nessie on May 12, 2022 14:07:27 GMT
There are large areas of buried cremated and larger human remains. According to you, they were sent for resettlement naked, since all their clothes were taken from them. No there are not. While it's conceivable that there are some bodies buried there it's most likely in the magnitude and circumstances of Belzec. There are no enormous amounts of cremains. Show me your archaeological evidence that site examinations found hardly any cremains. Where is the evidence of people being showered and given their clothes, or new clothes back and then put on to trains and sent onwards for resettlement? |
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Post by Turnagain on May 12, 2022 14:47:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
For years hoaxsters claimed that only a handful of people escaped Treblinka alive after a rebellion by the inmates. Wiernik wrote in his book that the Germans killed a German woman and her two sons to keep the Treblinka extermination facility a secret. That has been proven to be a lie. Not a "mistake" or an "exaggeration" but an outright LIE.
Contrary to Nessie's claims there is no PROOF of Jews being gassed with CO at Treblinka, buried, exhumed, cremated and reburied. Nessie tries to morph his "evidence" into proof but fails and fails miserably. All of his witnesses to the lethal gassing participated in the lie that only a handful of prisoners escaped from Treblinka. That lie makes suspect all of those witnesses testimony. There are 15-20,000 Jews who are KNOWN to have left Treblinka which puts paid to the lie that only a handful of prisoners escaped.
Nessie's claim that everyone who isn't recorded as leaving Treblinka was murdered based on the words of known liars is bullsh!t. If 15-20,000 deportees are KNOWN to have left Treblinka alive there's no reason to not believe that the rest of the deportees also left Treblinka for alternate destinations.
Note how Nessie never specifically lists his evidence and the quantity of that evidence. For example his claim for cremains being found at Treblinka consists of a tiny handful of unidentified bone shards while he fails to mention the fact that Jews have been video recorded dumping cremains at the site. Nessie has NOTHING to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 12, 2022 16:54:07 GMT
Nessie wrote: For years hoaxsters claimed that only a handful of people escaped Treblinka alive after a rebellion by the inmates. Wiernik wrote in his book that the Germans killed a German woman and her two sons to keep the Treblinka extermination facility a secret. That has been proven to be a lie. Not a "mistake" or an "exaggeration" but an outright LIE. Contrary to Nessie's claims there is no PROOF of Jews being gassed with CO at Treblinka, buried, exhumed, cremated and reburied. Nessie tries to morph his "evidence" into proof but fails and fails miserably. All of his witnesses to the lethal gassing participated in the lie that only a handful of prisoners escaped from Treblinka. That lie makes suspect all of those witnesses testimony. There are 15-20,000 Jews who are KNOWN to have left Treblinka which puts paid to the lie that only a handful of prisoners escaped. Nessie's claim that everyone who isn't recorded as leaving Treblinka was murdered based on the words of known liars is bullsh!t. If 15-20,000 deportees are KNOWN to have left Treblinka alive there's no reason to not believe that the rest of the deportees also left Treblinka for alternate destinations. Note how Nessie never specifically lists his evidence and the quantity of that evidence. For example his claim for cremains being found at Treblinka consists of a tiny handful of unidentified bone shards while he fails to mention the fact that Jews have been video recorded dumping cremains at the site. Nessie has NOTHING to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility. Nessie defends the lies and the character of liars, and ignores the issues that are raised. In a separate bit related matter I read today on codoh he also lied about not knowing about Franz Blaha to a revisionist named Bob. Bob then posted a post by Nessie literally linking to information about and by said person. Nessie feebly tried to claim that just because he linked to him in argument didn't mean he knows about him, clearly trying to parse exactly what "know about" means. His argumentation then begins to sputter out on that thread, he doesn't try to continue claiming things about revisionists to Bob,and his fight there day is over. Hilariously Nessie then tries to lecture us about truthfulness and credibility. ;-) |
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Post by Turnagain on May 13, 2022 0:20:31 GMT
The Soviets destroyed all of the outbound train records for trains transporting Jews out of Treblinka. That trains carrying deportees out of Treblinka is known. Zabecki, Nessie's premier eyewitness to railroad evidence, claimed that those trains didn't exist. Nessie's historians such as Arad claimed that only a handful, less than 100 Jews, escaped from Treblinka after an uprising. Wiernik, Rajchman et al. also concur that the only people to have left Treblinka alive were the escapees. These people are known liars about Jews being transported out of Treblinka yet Nessie continues to claim that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered at Treblinka based on their testimony.
Nessie claims to know for a fact that the 15-20,000 Jews transported out of Treblinka were the only Jews to escape being gassed at Treblinka by being transported to alternate destinations in the Lublin district. How does he know that? How do you KNOW that the 15-20,000 were the only deportees who left Treblinka alive, Nessie?
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 8:09:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: For years hoaxsters claimed that only a handful of people escaped Treblinka alive after a rebellion by the inmates. Wiernik wrote in his book that the Germans killed a German woman and her two sons to keep the Treblinka extermination facility a secret. That has been proven to be a lie. Not a "mistake" or an "exaggeration" but an outright LIE. How has it been proved a lie? Where is your evidence? Your doubts are not evidence. The amount of corroborating evidence I have is sufficient to prove mass gassings, graves and cremations. You only disagree, because you want to convince yourself of the denier hoax. You happily believe in mass resettlement, despite there being no evidence of that form any source at all. That proves your beliefs are not driven by what is and what is not evidenced. That no witness to gassings speaks to seeing the selection process and the small number of people who left TII, is evidence how few left TII. You have exaggerated the number of people for whom there is evidence they left TII. Hunt's list of witnesses adds up to c9000 at most and since a number of those transports may not have left TII, such as Sam Kulawy, that number is likely lower. There is evidence of gassings, which is why there is reason to believe the rest were not also sent in mystery trains to mystery destinations. There is no evidence of regular mass transports of trains packed full of people and the resettlement of c850,000 people from TII, 1942-3. Unlike you I go with what is evidence, you prefer what is not evidenced. You are lying again. You have lied so often that there is no evidence, when there is a lot of evidence, I made this thread on the old forum web.archive.org/web/20210423162204/http://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3808which lists the evidence that is online for TII. I also started this thread here; rodoh.freeforums.net/thread/255/claims-suggestions-evidenceto show how often you lie and claim there is no evidence. You do that to deflect from your actual lack of evidence. The ash scattered on the ground at TII had been through a modern crematorium. The bits of bone shard found during the walkover survey in 2014, are from an incomplete cremation and are larger than ashes. You are lying that is the only evidence of cremains at TII, since you ignore the 1945 survey and the remains reburied in the 1960s when the memorial was built. Your belief is built on constantly lying to yourself. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 8:39:40 GMT
The Soviets destroyed all of the outbound train records for trains transporting Jews out of Treblinka. You have no evidence of that. You are referring to your imaginary trains, that arrived empty at TII from places unknown, collected hundreds of thousands of passengers without anyone noticing, and then left for destinations unknown. Indeed they are known, because transports leave evidence. Except when they are your magical transports that whisk hundreds of thousands of people to magical camps in the sky!!!! So few trains left TII carrying passengers, that those working at TII, or on the railways nearby, did not notice them. I know because of the evidence, evidence I have discussed with you at length, but you pretend to forget and then lie there is no evidence. The evidence is, AGAIN!!!!! 1 - Nazi transport records showing timetables of trains from ghettos, that returned to the ghettos empty. 2 - Nazi documents recording transports to TII, with no corresponding departures (Holfe, Ganzenmuller, Stroop). 3 - Polish witnesses to full trains arriving and empty trains leaving, or some trains leaving carrying property. 4 - the circumstantial evidence of AR, whereby property was taken from TII to Lublin for sorting and selling, which leaves the Jews you say were resettled with nothing, not even their clothes. 5 - no witness who worked inside TII, Nazi or Jew, makes any reference to mass departures of people. Oh, it was at most 9000 who left TII, according to the evidence of those who say they left TII. Eric Hunt made a handy list of their claims and the total is at most 9000 studylib.net/doc/7233192/treblinka-transit-list-editedThe actual number is lower, since there is evidence not all of those witnesses were at TII. Your figure of 15-20,000 is unevidenced. |
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Post by Turnagain on May 13, 2022 10:08:13 GMT
Nessie wrote:
If the Soviets didn't destroy or hide the outbound train records then where are they? No matter how you turn and squirm, the outbound train records aren't available except for trains assigned to hauling Jews to Treblinka. The number of trains that left Treblinka carrying passengers is UNKNOWN. From your "Treblinka-Transit-List-edited" it shows that 34 trains left Treblinka carrying passengers. That's a rough count of deportees who claim to have left Treblinka but it's from your own list. Other than testimony from surviving Jews no records for any of those trains exist. NONE, zip, zero, nada.
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In that case, where are the records of those trains that left Treblinka carrying passengers? There were apparently 34 (or thereabouts) trains that left Treblinka carrying passengers so where are the effing train schedules for those transports?
That's just soooooo believable. Thirty trains or better left Treblinka with passengers and nobody, not Wiernik or Rajchman, not Zabecki or Grabowski nor anyone else "noticed" them. The fact remains that you don't know how many trains left Treblinka carrying passengers.
From Nessie's link:
Sam Kulawy -- Left Treblinka with an entire trainload of men, women and children.
Runia Lunski -- Left Treblinka with an entire trainload of deportees.
Jacob Rozmaryn -- Left Treblinka with 2,000 deportees in following trolleys.
Helen Schwartz -- Left Treblinka with "every car" filled with deportees.
Apparently none of the above specified exactly how many were in those trainloads so Nessie doesn't count them as leaving Treblinka. How many were in a trainload, Nessie?
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 11:37:36 GMT
Nessie wrote: If the Soviets didn't destroy or hide the outbound train records then where are they? Your magical trains did not exist, there were no records to destroy. Ghetto transport records show the timetables of trains that left the ghettos full and returned empty. Since ghettos account for all the trains sent to TII, that covers every train. I have shown you the online records, which since it includes Warsaw, accounts for about 30% of known ghetto transports to TII. The 394 known ghetto transports cover most days the camp was open, so where was the opportuinity for hundreds of empty trains to arrive and take people away? Eric Hunt's Treblinka transit list includes transports for which there is no evidence they left TII. There are two records Mattogno found a source for, of transports to Majdanek. We do not know what else is in the archives for Majdanek, Budzyn and Poniatowa camps. The effing train schedules will be the archives. You have been told that many times. First, prove they left TII and were not mistaken about what camp they were at. Kulawy said he went to A-B, and there was a transport from Malkinina to A-B. Schwartz said she went from Majdanek to TII which is the opposite direction to everyone else. You have never read the testimony of the other two to check to see if they are correct. You just assume they are, because it suits you. When there were 394 transports, which needed splitting to fit into TII, that means over 1000 trains entered TII and you think every witness would definitely notice 4 you think you have evidence left full of people. Even if it was 30, that is 3% of trains leaving with people, so no wonder no witness spotted them, especially witnesses like Wiernik, who did not work at the camp station. |
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