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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 13:11:24 GMT
Why do accept the Nazis shot Jews as the enemy, but not that they gassed Jews as the enemy? Shooting Jews as partisans is not shooting Jews as Jews obviously so you've embarrassed yourself again. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 16:47:45 GMT
Why do accept the Nazis shot Jews as the enemy, but not that they gassed Jews as the enemy? Shooting Jews as partisans is not shooting Jews as Jews obviously so you've embarrassed yourself again.
Shooting millions of Jews, men women and children, as partisans is the Holocaust by bullets.
"As many as two million Jews were killed with bullets and at associated massacres across former Soviet territory."
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 17:16:37 GMT
Shooting Jews as partisans is not shooting Jews as Jews obviously so you've embarrassed yourself again.
Shooting millions of Jews, men women and children, as partisans is the Holocaust by bullets.
"As many as two million Jews were killed with bullets and at associated massacres across former Soviet territory."
No such millions of Jews were ever shot. The nazis had no reason to waste time money or bullets on things that didn't harm them, no nazi ever considered a Jewish woman or child as his enemy, and would certainly never ever execute women and children for any reason whatsoever, and your link is worthless drivel. |
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 9:27:31 GMT
Been-there, you appear to have decided on a very narrow definition of debate... No I havenโt. You got busted bluffing and lying. I made clear from the outset what type of debate I was referring to. The holocaust industry has outlawed fair, well-informed, genuine debate in most countries. Most countries do not have denial laws and I have shown you numerous examples of different forms of debate. Fact is, revisionists crumble when challenged, especially by historians. You cry that is a sign the debate is unfair, but it is just a sign of how bad the revisionist claims are. Denial laws are to repress anti-Semitism inherent in Holocaust denial and revisionism. Historians, journalists and even some revisionists have subjected the claims of the Holocaust to detailed examination over the past decades, and no evidence has been found to support a narrative of something other than certain places were used for mass murder. You vaguely defined debate as fair, informed, open and genuine. There are debates that I accept as a debate and you do not. No academic will refute what you call the "bogus narrative" without having contemporaneous evidence as to what did happen. Any academic who merely tries to dispute the existing evidence as bogus, is going to be attacked, because they have strayed from academic standards of evidencing into conspiracy theorist clap trap. |
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Post by nazgul on May 30, 2022 9:29:48 GMT
What has this got to do with how this hoax works.
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 9:37:43 GMT
This is how the mass-deception works.... Occam's Razor tells us that between millions of people, including the vast majority of academics being deluded by a deception, and a tiny minority of people who are attracted to conspiracy theories and express anti-Semitism being deluded by a deception, the latter are the ones who have been fooled, as it is easier to fool them. This hoax works, by appealing to people who are inclined to believe in conspiracy theories, especially ones where a power has control over society. Jews have regularly been claimed to be powerful manipulative people, prepared to be dishonest to gain power, influence and wealth. It is hardly surprising that some believe the Jews have hoaxed the Holocaust to get Israel established, to gain international sympathy and to make money from compensation. |
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 11:30:31 GMT
The mass-deception regarding the narrative of a Jew-genocide during WW2 โ by the alleged mass-gassing of approx 3 million Jews โ has been achieved and continues to be maintained in numerous ways. As I just pointed out, one of the key methods is making sure genuine debate never gets wide-spread public attention. Anyone attempting to open up debate is attacked, smeared, silenced, discredited and ostracised. E.g. That is precisely what happened to the academic and tenured Professor Anthony Hall merely for calling for more open debate about the holyhoax. .... What you refer to as debate, is Holocaust denial and revisionism trying to expand the promotion of its conspiracy theory. I would happily see such revisionists debated, as it is good to watch them being debunked. Others prefer to have them on ignore, or to not allow them any publicity, which anyone who hosts any form of media is entitled to do. Academics who support unevidenced CTs, and who cannot evidence what did happen, are reasonably rejected by the rest of the academic community, because they go against academic norms when it comes to the study of history.
There is no hoax being protected by some sort of mass deception. The hoax you allege is a physical impossibility. It is not possible to deceive so many people, over such a long period of time, with regards to a historical event, that left plenty of evidence and where there is no evidenced alternative.
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 12:03:33 GMT
The mass-deception regarding the narrative of a Jew-genocide during WW2 โ by the alleged mass-gassing of approx 3 million Jews โ has been achieved and continues to be maintained in numerous ways. As I just pointed out, one of the key methods is making sure genuine debate never gets wide-spread public attention. Anyone attempting to open up debate is attacked, smeared, silenced, discredited and ostracised. E.g. That is precisely what happened to the academic and tenured Professor Anthony Hall merely for calling for more open debate about the holyhoax... What you refer to as debate, is Holocaust denial and revisionism trying to expand the promotion of its conspiracy theory. I would happily see such revisionists debated, as it is good to watch them being debunked. Others prefer to have them on ignore, or to not allow them any publicity, which anyone who hosts any form of media is entitled to do. Academics who support unevidenced CTs, and who cannot evidence [who want to discuss] what did happen, are reasonably rejected by the rest of the academic community, because they go against academic norms when it comes to the study of history [of this is forbidden by Jewish organisations]. Another irrational, provocative, automatic contradiction that derails the topic + is based on nothing but personal opinion. I.e. with no evidence to support it โas usual. I therefore request it be moved, so that genuine discussion of this important topic can continue without such mindless interruption. |
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 13:56:40 GMT
What you refer to as debate, is Holocaust denial and revisionism trying to expand the promotion of its conspiracy theory. I would happily see such revisionists debated, as it is good to watch them being debunked. Others prefer to have them on ignore, or to not allow them any publicity, which anyone who hosts any form of media is entitled to do. Academics who support unevidenced CTs, and who cannot evidence [who want to discuss] what did happen, are reasonably rejected by the rest of the academic community, because they go against academic norms when it comes to the study of history [of this is forbidden by Jewish organisations]. Another irrational, provocative, automatic contradiction that derails the topic + is based on nothing but personal opinion. I.e. with no evidence to support it โas usual. I therefore request it be moved, so that genuine discussion of this important topic can continue without such mindless interruption. You censor opinions and evidence that does not suit your desired belief. When you do that to support your belief, you should be aware that your belief is most likely wrong.
There is no genuine debate from revisionists. Instead, there is conspiracy theory clap trap, supported by arguments based on logical fallacies and no evidence. That is why few, of any academic is bothered about debating revisionists.
It is far more likely that some low intelligence individuals, who fall for logical fallacies and have anti-Semitic attitudes will fall for a hoax, than all the historians in every university around the world.
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 15:03:37 GMT
Another irrational, provocative, automatic contradiction that derails the topic + is based on nothing but personal opinion. I.e. with no evidence to support it โas usual. I therefore request it be moved, so that genuine discussion of this important topic can continue without such mindless interruption. You censor opinions and evidence that does not suit your desired belief. When you do that to support your belief, you should be aware that your belief is most likely wrong.
There is no genuine debate from revisionists. Instead, there is conspiracy theory clap trap, supported by arguments based on logical fallacies and no evidence. That is why few, of any academic is bothered about debating revisionists.
It is far more likely that some low intelligence individuals, who fall for logical fallacies and have anti-Semitic attitudes will fall for a hoax, than all the historians in every university around the world.
So you are saying Professor Hayward, Professor Nolte, Walter Lรผfftl, Judge Wilhelm Stรคglich, Advocate Sylvia Stolz, Academic Alan B. Kennady, Professor Anthony Hall and Professor Norman Finkelstein โ who have all been defamed and smeared as anti-semites and holocaust-deniers โ are all โlow intelligence individualsโ  ๐
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 15:31:05 GMT
You censor opinions and evidence that does not suit your desired belief. When you do that to support your belief, you should be aware that your belief is most likely wrong.
There is no genuine debate from revisionists. Instead, there is conspiracy theory clap trap, supported by arguments based on logical fallacies and no evidence. That is why few, of any academic is bothered about debating revisionists.
It is far more likely that some low intelligence individuals, who fall for logical fallacies and have anti-Semitic attitudes will fall for a hoax, than all the historians in every university around the world.
So you are saying Professor Hayward, Professor Nolte, Walter Lรผfftl, Judge Wilhelm Stรคglich, Advocate Sylvia Stolz, Academic Alan B. Kennady, Professor Anthony Hall and Professor Norman Finkelstein โ who have all been defamed and smeared as anti-semites and holocaust-deniers โ are all โlow intelligence individualsโ  ๐
๐๐๐คฃ๐๐ You are clearly indulging now in psychological projection! YOU are the denier! YOU are the one denying reality. YOU are the one promoting a racist hate-trope! And YOU are the one who is most clearly a โlow intelligence individualโ. There are a few examples of more intelligent people who have also fallen for the hoax, though not everyone on your list denies mass gassings happened, such as Finkelstein. I cannot find any example of Hall or Hayward denying gassing.
My point still stands, what is more likely, all university history departments are wrong, or some people, many who have limited intelligence and easily fall for illogical arguments are wrong.
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 16:27:51 GMT
So you are saying Professor Hayward, Professor Nolte, Walter Lรผfftl, Judge Wilhelm Stรคglich, Advocate Sylvia Stolz, Academic Alan B. Kennady, Professor Anthony Hall and Professor Norman Finkelstein โ who have all been defamed and smeared as anti-semites and holocaust-deniers โ are all โlow intelligence individualsโ . ๐
๐๐๐คฃ๐๐ You are clearly indulging now in psychological projection! YOU are the denier! YOU are the one denying reality. YOU are the one promoting a racist hate-trope! And YOU are the one who is most clearly a โlow intelligence individualโ. There are a few examples of more intelligent people who have also fallen for the hoax, though not everyone on your list denies mass gassings happened, such as Finkelstein. I cannot find any example of Hall or Hayward denying gassing.
My point still stands, what is more likely:
1.) all university history departments are wrong, or
2.) some people, many who have limited intelligence and easily fall for illogical arguments are wrong.
You still havenโt understood and are still repeating what has already been explained to you is a false dichotomy. Your problem is again explained by the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. I suggest you research both.  |
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 18:50:06 GMT
There are a few examples of more intelligent people who have also fallen for the hoax, though not everyone on your list denies mass gassings happened, such as Finkelstein. I cannot find any example of Hall or Hayward denying gassing.
My point still stands, what is more likely:
1.) all university history departments are wrong, or
2.) some people, many who have limited intelligence and easily fall for illogical arguments are wrong.
You still havenโt understood and are still repeating what has already been explained to you is a false dichotomy. Your problem is again explained by the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. I suggest you research both. That you constantly resort to insults is evidence you are struggling with my point.
There is no false dichotomy. There either were mass gassings at the AR camps and inside the A-B Kremas, or there were not. There is either a denier hoax, or the history is a hoax.
The simpler hoax to run is the denier hoax, as it does not require evidence or the support of universities. It merely needs some people to believe the evidence for gassings is all bogus. Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest of various theories is the most likely, which means out of the simple denier hoax and the far more complicated history of the Holocaust, denial is the hoax. You have fallen for a hoax. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 30, 2022 21:22:04 GMT
Another irrational, provocative, automatic contradiction that derails the topic + is based on nothing but personal opinion. I.e. with no evidence to support it โas usual. I therefore request it be moved, so that genuine discussion of this important topic can continue without such mindless interruption. You censor opinions and evidence that does not suit your desired belief. When you do that to support your belief, you should be aware that your belief is most likely wrong.
There is no genuine debate from revisionists. Instead, there is conspiracy theory clap trap, supported by arguments based on logical fallacies and no evidence. That is why few, of any academic is bothered about debating revisionists.
It is far more likely that some low intelligence individuals, who fall for logical fallacies and have anti-Semitic attitudes will fall for a hoax, than all the historians in every university around the world.
No such evidence of low intelligence. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 30, 2022 21:23:13 GMT
You still havenโt understood and are still repeating what has already been explained to you is a false dichotomy. Your problem is again explained by the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. I suggest you research both. That you constantly resort to insults is evidence you are struggling with my point.
There is no false dichotomy. There either were mass gassings at the AR camps and inside the A-B Kremas, or there were not. There is either a denier hoax, or the history is a hoax.
The simpler hoax to run is the denier hoax, as it does not require evidence or the support of universities. It merely needs some people to believe the evidence for gassings is all bogus. Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest of various theories is the most likely, which means out of the simple denier hoax and the far more complicated history of the Holocaust, denial is the hoax. You have fallen for a hoax. There is nothing simple about the holohoax. |
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