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Post by Nessie on Apr 30, 2022 9:28:17 GMT
Mass gassings of millions, that are evidenced to have happened, are far more believable than the mass movement and accommodation of millions of people without leaving any evidence and would need the Nazis to cooperate with their own downfall. This would mean that the 600 camps in Belarus and Ostland where it is said these people went to were empty. The fact that you cannot be bothered to research the obvious is your issue. I have researched and found every camp had been closed by the Nazis by the end of 1944, prior to the arrival of the Soviets. So, where were all the millions of Jews supposedly being accommodated there now being kept? It is easier to fool you, than it is to fool pretty much anyone else. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 30, 2022 10:01:09 GMT
I have researched and found every camp had been closed by the Nazis by the end of 1944, prior to the arrival of the Soviets. So, where were all the millions of Jews supposedly being accommodated there now being kept? Because you found nothing, the issues lost in time perhaps means little really. It would be expected that the camps would be closed prior to the Russians arriving. The issue really is not that the jews were not there, but their dispersal at the rout of the German influence. This is the issue a real historian should focus on not the faded narrative you try and convince yourself is true. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 30, 2022 10:16:21 GMT
I have researched and found every camp had been closed by the Nazis by the end of 1944, prior to the arrival of the Soviets. So, where were all the millions of Jews supposedly being accommodated there now being kept? Because you found nothing, the issues lost in time perhaps means little really. It would be expected that the camps would be closed prior to the Russians arriving. The issue really is not that the jews were not there, but their dispersal at the rout of the German influence. This is the issue a real historian should focus on not the faded narrative you try and convince yourself is true.
I do not find "nothing". I found that throughout 1943 and 1944, the camps and ghettos in the Ostland were being closed down, often long before the Soviets began their advances. Therefore, they were not being used by the Nazis to accommodate Jews supposedly not gassed at the AR camps in 1942-3.
If the Soviet advances had meant those camps and ghettos were being closed to move people west, then they would have needed to build hundreds more camps in the west in 1944-5, to accommodate all of them, which also did not happen.
You censor posts that challenge you, because it is you who wants to prop up an unevidenced belief system. It is obviously easier to fool you, than it is to fool a trained historian or journalist.
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Post by Ulios on Apr 30, 2022 10:22:44 GMT
If the Soviet advances had meant those camps and ghettos were being closed to move people west, then they would have needed to build hundreds more camps in the west in 1944-5, to accommodate all of them, which also did not happen. What does the meaning of rout mean Nessie. That was the word used. Most of the AR gassings occurred in 1942 and yet you are talking about a distant date. You cannot connect the jigsaw so as a child you resort to a childish theory. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 30, 2022 10:30:10 GMT
If the Soviet advances had meant those camps and ghettos were being closed to move people west, then they would have needed to build hundreds more camps in the west in 1944-5, to accommodate all of them, which also did not happen. What does the meaning of rout mean Nessie. That was the word used. Most of the AR gassings occurred in 1942 and yet you are talking about a distant date. You cannot connect the jigsaw so as a child you resort to a childish theory. Most of the AR gassings took place at the AR camps in 1942-3, so it they were not happening, then the camps and ghettos in the Ostland would be filling up with millions of people 1942-3, so that by the end of 1943, there would be millions there. Instead, 1943 saw many of those places being closed down. One of the largest was at Minsk and it was closed by the end of 1943. The next gassing action was in 1944, with the Hungarian Jews and the last major ghetto at Lodz.
It would be far easier to fool people like you, who are ignorant of history, chronology and logic, than it would be to fool academics.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 12, 2022 18:35:47 GMT
What does the meaning of rout mean Nessie. That was the word used. Most of the AR gassings occurred in 1942 and yet you are talking about a distant date. You cannot connect the jigsaw so as a child you resort to a childish theory. Most of the AR gassings took place at the AR camps in 1942-3, so it they were not happening, then the camps and ghettos in the Ostland would be filling up with millions of people 1942-3, so that by the end of 1943, there would be millions there. Instead, 1943 saw many of those places being closed down. One of the largest was at Minsk and it was closed by the end of 1943. The next gassing action was in 1944, with the Hungarian Jews and the last major ghetto at Lodz.
It would be far easier to fool people like you, who are ignorant of history, chronology and logic, than it would be to fool academics.
You seem to asserting that the Reich spent all this money and time creating camps for Jews, then decided to kill them instead. Is that it? |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 8:27:39 GMT
Most of the AR gassings took place at the AR camps in 1942-3, so it they were not happening, then the camps and ghettos in the Ostland would be filling up with millions of people 1942-3, so that by the end of 1943, there would be millions there. Instead, 1943 saw many of those places being closed down. One of the largest was at Minsk and it was closed by the end of 1943. The next gassing action was in 1944, with the Hungarian Jews and the last major ghetto at Lodz.
It would be far easier to fool people like you, who are ignorant of history, chronology and logic, than it would be to fool academics.
You seem to asserting that the Reich spent all this money and time creating camps for Jews, then decided to kill them instead. Is that it? No. They created temporary camps and ghettos in the Ostland in 1942-3 as they invaded the SU and rounded up and imprisoned Jews, and then by 1944 they had closed most of those camps and ghettos, because the Jews were dead, either from being shot or from deprivations as slave labourers. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 9:26:55 GMT
You seem to asserting that the Reich spent all this money and time creating camps for Jews, then decided to kill them instead. Is that it? No. They created temporary camps and ghettos in the Ostland in 1942-3 as they invaded the SU and rounded up and imprisoned Jews, and then by 1944 they had closed most of those camps and ghettos, because the Jews were dead, either from being shot or from deprivations as slave labourers.ย Right so you've just disproved the holocaust. Shootings and Slave labour isn't extermination. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 11:20:12 GMT
No. They created temporary camps and ghettos in the Ostland in 1942-3 as they invaded the SU and rounded up and imprisoned Jews, and then by 1944 they had closed most of those camps and ghettos, because the Jews were dead, either from being shot or from deprivations as slave labourers. Right so you've just disproved the holocaust. Shootings and Slave labour isn't extermination. Yes it is. The Wannsee Protocol was open about Jews being worked to death and then said the rest would die from other means. In the east, that was primarily being shot by the Einsatzgruppen, for which there is witness, documentary, physical, circumstantial and photographic evidence. The Holocaust by bullets is one part of the Holocaust. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 12:16:29 GMT
Right so you've just disproved the holocaust. Shootings and Slave labour isn't extermination. Yes it is. The Wannsee Protocol was open about Jews being worked to death and then said the rest would die from other means. In the east, that was primarily being shot by the Einsatzgruppen, for which there is witness, documentary, physical, circumstantial and photographic evidence. The Holocaust by bullets is one part of the Holocaust. Yes, deaths as attrition, much like their own soldiers, not as policy as per the protocol. As for EG actions that has been studied in detail and was no holocaust either, it was anti partisan action and again, you've got no bodies to back it up, no orders and no reason. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 12:19:31 GMT
Yes it is. The Wannsee Protocol was open about Jews being worked to death and then said the rest would die from other means. In the east, that was primarily being shot by the Einsatzgruppen, for which there is witness, documentary, physical, circumstantial and photographic evidence. The Holocaust by bullets is one part of the Holocaust. Yes, deaths as attrition, much like their own soldiers, not as policy as per the protocol. As for EG actions that has been studied in detail and was no holocaust either, it was anti partisan action and again, you've got no bodies to back it up, no orders and no reason. Millions of Jews were killed, because they were an enemy of the Nazis. |
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 12:29:12 GMT
Yes, deaths as attrition, much like their own soldiers, not as policy as per the protocol. As for EG actions that has been studied in detail and was no holocaust either, it was anti partisan action and again, you've got no bodies to back it up, no orders and no reason. Millions of Jews were killed, because they were an enemy of the Nazis. Nazis had no wish or reason to kill Jews just for being Jews, nor did they ever and in fact they punished those who did as per the documents. In fact they worked closely with them to solve the problem. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 12:50:33 GMT
Millions of Jews were killed, because they were an enemy of the Nazis. Nazis had no wish or reason to kill Jews just for being Jews, nor did they ever and in fact they punished those who did as per the documents. In fact they worked closely with them to solve the problem. The EG reported shooting Jews, along with Communists, Partisans and anyone regarded as an enemy.
"The "Jager report" was written by a commander of one of the "Einsatzgruppen" (special task forces) which were in charge of liquidating Jews, communist leaders, partisans and others in the Soviet Union.
To understand the magnitude of the massacres, note the total number of victims - 137,346. This is for one Einsatzgruppe, in a five month period, in one area. This report reflects very clearly on the plan to kill all the Jews, except those which were needed for working purposes; those were, as the report notes, "only" to be sterilized; Jager goes on to state that "if despite sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated."
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 12:58:17 GMT
Nazis had no wish or reason to kill Jews just for being Jews, nor did they ever and in fact they punished those who did as per the documents. In fact they worked closely with them to solve the problem. The EG reported shooting Jews, along with Communists,ย Partisans and anyone regarded as an enemy.
"The "Jager report" was written by a commander of one of the "Einsatzgruppen" (special task forces) which were in charge of liquidating Jews, communist leaders, partisans and others in the Soviet Union.
To understand the magnitude of the massacres, note the total number of victims - 137,346. This is for one Einsatzgruppe, in a five month period, in one area. This report reflects very clearly on the plan to kill all the Jews, except those which were needed for working purposes; those were, as the report notes, "only" to be sterilized; Jager goes on to state that "if despite sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated."
Yes they did shoot people, so what? The Jager report is fake from a number of angles and is definitively addressed by revisionists. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 13:01:40 GMT
Why do accept the Nazis shot Jews as the enemy, but not that they gassed Jews as the enemy?
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