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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 15:42:41 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia.
Kitty Hart Moxon's lies are far more pathetic and obvious than Grocher's yet you accept them as true. Do you really expect any thinking person to take you seriously?
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims?
The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Apr 25, 2022 19:34:22 GMT
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims? The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
Most of the propaganda came from the resistance organizations; once established others soon jumped on the bandwagon. They tell me that Holocaust novels sell quite well when depicted as a true story. They also get a few years of fame and a chance to inculcate children with their fibs. Once a lie starts it gains a momentum of its own; this is how major religion started and some minor ones. None of them except perhaps Buddhism are true. Onwe can tell from the argument above that gassing is accepted as fact by yourself so there is no need to regurgitate it in every sentence. While you accept it as fact you have yet to show hard evidence of a single jew gassed to death as claimed.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 26, 2022 7:54:28 GMT
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims? The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
Most of the propaganda came from the resistance organizations; once established others soon jumped on the bandwagon. They tell me that Holocaust novels sell quite well when depicted as a true story. They also get a few years of fame and a chance to inculcate children with their fibs. Once a lie starts it gains a momentum of its own; this is how major religion started and some minor ones. None of them except perhaps Buddhism are true. Onwe can tell from the argument above that gassing is accepted as fact by yourself so there is no need to regurgitate it in every sentence. While you accept it as fact you have yet to show hard evidence of a single jew gassed to death as claimed. The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Apr 26, 2022 8:20:21 GMT
The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it. This is only in your imagination and not a part of reality; an indication of the world you live in. Joseph Burg testified at the 1988 Zรผndel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. Dr. Wilhelm Stรคglich a German judge wrote that he did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews at Auschwitz. Stรคglic visited Auschwitz several times during the Second World War as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stรคglich published an account of his visits to Auschwitz in which he stated that on none of these visits did he see gassing installations, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. Stรคglich wrote: .. Stรคglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 293.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 26, 2022 8:42:43 GMT
The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it. This is only in your imagination and not a part of reality; an indication of the world you live in. Joseph Burg testified at the 1988 Zรผndel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. www.museumoftolerance.com/education/archives-and-reference-library/online-resources/simon-wiesenthal-center-annual-volume-6/annual-6-chapter-7.html"Eighty-year-old ex-Nazi soldier Joseph Burg's rambling testimony included the claim that World War Il was a Zionist plot; and because such statements only helped the Crown's case, Pearson did not even bother to cross-examine him." Maybe you can provide the names of those people Burg claimed to have spoken to, who worked inside the Kremas. Staglich was not inside Krema I in 1942 or Kremas II to V in 1943-4. Like Burg, he is not an eyewitness to what happened inside at the times they were operating as gas chambers.
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Post by Ulios on Apr 26, 2022 10:04:39 GMT
"Eighty-year-old ex-Nazi soldier Joseph Burg's rambling testimony included the claim that World War Il was a Zionist plot; and because such statements only helped the Crown's case, Pearson did not even bother to cross-examine him." Many people conclur with mr Burg that WWII was a zionist plot. Asking this stupid question when it is clear he said "he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers.". Perhaps you can write to him and ask him the names of who he spoke to. His testimony directly contradicts your witnesses. He said he saw nothing confirming the gassing claims nor any signs in the body language of the inmates; this is corroborated by the sports grounds nearby where no body there saw any signs of gassings or mass murder as well discussed earlier. If there was mass murder the people would notice it but they did not. Thies Christophersen was another witness who said the alleged genocide of Jews during the war never happened. Christophersen supervised about 300 workers, many of them Jewish, at Auschwitz from January to December 1944. On a number of occasions during this period he visited Birkenau where allegedly hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed to death. In The Auschwitz Lie, a memoir first published in Germany in 1973, Christophersen wrote that during the time he was at Auschwitz he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 26, 2022 10:36:01 GMT
"Eighty-year-old ex-Nazi soldier Joseph Burg's rambling testimony included the claim that World War Il was a Zionist plot; and because such statements only helped the Crown's case, Pearson did not even bother to cross-examine him." Many people conclur with mr Burg that WWII was a zionist plot. Asking this stupid question when it is clear he said "he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers.". Perhaps you can write to him and ask him the names of who he spoke to. His testimony directly contradicts your witnesses. No it does not. He was never inside a Krema and he has not named any witness who worked inside a Krema or presented their testimony to show what they said happened, that was not gassings. Just because he could not find any witness who was willing to admit to him they had worked inside the Kremas, does not mean therefore no one worked there and saw gassings. The gassings took place inside the Kremas, so unless someone was inside, they could not physically see what was happening. Someone who was only outside and was never inside, is not a witness to what happened inside.
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Post by Hรผntinger on Apr 26, 2022 19:29:57 GMT
The gassings took place inside the Kremas, so unless someone was inside, they could not physically see what was happening. Someone who was only outside and was never inside, is not a witness to what happened inside. Here is a plan of Krema II for those not familiar with the plans. Leichenkeller 1 an alleged gassing cellar was below ground while the ovens are at ground level quite a few metres higher. Not many people are a witness to the inside of a morgue, the clients are very tight lipped. Those operating the ovens were in a different part of the building. Work was compartmentalized, each worker assigned to a single job in one section of the building. However, the scenario in propaganda is presented as people walking to the gas chambers as is claimed in the following image:  or in Spielbergs movie "the Grey Zone"  None of this was seen by sportsman in the nearby fields or others. Of course people were led away in columns for showering; this is described by quite a few ex inmates. It seems that this mass movement of prisoners to be executed was "invisible".
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Post by Nessie on Apr 27, 2022 7:41:36 GMT
Where are the statements of people who played sports near to the Kremas? How do you know what they saw?
It would be far harder to fool all of the hundreds of thousands of prisoners who were at A-B, at some time between 1942 and 1944 into thinking the Kremas were used for mass gassings, that it would be to fool you decades later, into thinking they were not used for gassings.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Apr 27, 2022 8:03:15 GMT
Where are the statements of people who played sports near to the Kremas? How do you know what they saw? It would be far harder to fool all of the hundreds of thousands of prisoners who were at A-B, at some time between 1942 and 1944 into thinking the Kremas were used for mass gassings, that it would be to fool you decades later, into thinking they were not used for gassings. Most of those sportsmen were POWs, many British. If they saw something untoward they would have screamed this from the roof. The only people screaming are a select few chosen by the "Home army" to convey stories of black propaganda. They scream this was hell while everyone else is getting on with their lives playing sports and working.
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