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Post by Nessie on Apr 24, 2022 17:06:21 GMT
Occam's Razor tells us which hoax claim is most likely correct. Some deniers do not like that, so discussion of that was punted to Siberian Exile  The hoax alleged by revisionist AKA "Holocaust deniers" involves lying by everyone who worked at an AR camp or AB Kremas, lying by omission by the c2.5 million people sent to the AR camps or A-B Kremas none of whim came forward to say what did happen inside those places and then many historians, lawyers, journalist and governments either lying or falling for the hoax, which needed the cooperation of the Polish and Nazis during the war, and every European country since. It requires the wholesale faking or hiding of evidence, including the hiding of the c2.5 million people supposedly not gassed. That is a massive complex hoax. The hoax alleged by the historians is that some people have fallen for illogical arguments, pseudo science and history into thinking such a massive conspiracy is possible. It is quite a simple hoax, that just requires people to be stupid. |
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Post by Hรผntinger on Apr 24, 2022 19:37:44 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 7:35:11 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia.
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Post by Agandaur on Apr 25, 2022 7:49:45 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia. The life of that man is also found in Mila 18 a novel by Leon Uris. Not much different from Wiernik and Vrba. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 7:59:15 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia. The life of that man is also found in Mila 18 a novel by Leon Uris. Not much different from Wiernik and Vrba. You have based your opinion on Grocher, based on a very low quality Wiki entry. But, it says what you want to hear, so you run with it. You think it is evidence the mass gassings are a hoax. You prove my point. It is easy and simple to fool people such as yourself. |
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Post by Agandaur on Apr 25, 2022 8:15:53 GMT
You have based your opinion on Grocher, based on a very low quality Wiki entry. But, it says what you want to hear, so you run with it. You think it is evidence the mass gassings are a hoax. You prove my point. It is easy and simple to fool people such as yourself. It is based on his book 1996 book Jag รถverlevde, I survived. It is a good story but identical in many ways to the Leon Uris novel, also a great book. I suggest you read these "Nessie". This alone does not disprove anything, but it amazing how many people have walked backwards out of gas chambers. I think the Moonwalking bit was a little poetic licence but the point is made. All of your witnesses etc for gassings have similar flaws of magnitude. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 8:25:20 GMT
You have based your opinion on Grocher, based on a very low quality Wiki entry. But, it says what you want to hear, so you run with it. You think it is evidence the mass gassings are a hoax. You prove my point. It is easy and simple to fool people such as yourself. It is based on his book 1996 book Jag รถverlevde, I survived. It is a good story but identical in many ways to the Leon Uris novel, also a great book. I suggest you read these "Nessie". This alone does not disprove anything, but it amazing how many people have walked backwards out of gas chambers. I think the Moonwalking bit was a little poetic licence but the point is made. All of your witnesses etc for gassings have similar flaws of magnitude. You fall embarrassingly easily for obvious rubbish you find on the internet. It is far easier to suggest mass gassings are a hoax, than it is to actually hoax the mass gassings. Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest cause/solution is the most likely, which means that the easy to suggest mass gassings are a hoax, is the actual hoax. |
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Post by nazgul on Apr 25, 2022 9:56:01 GMT
It is far easier to suggest mass gassings are a hoax, than it is to actually hoax the mass gassings. Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest cause/solution is the most likely. This is correct, the hoaxing is much more likely than actually doing it. This is much simpler, mere rhetoric than physical action. Your twist of the situation: Is actually an added complexity, an intellectual somersault, but sadly your pants fell down over your pointed head. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 14:05:54 GMT
It is far easier to suggest mass gassings are a hoax, than it is to actually hoax the mass gassings. Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest cause/solution is the most likely. This is correct, the hoaxing is much more likely than actually doing it. This is much simpler, mere rhetoric than physical action. Your twist of the situation: Is actually an added complexity, an intellectual somersault, but sadly your pants fell down over your pointed head.
The more you post, the more you evidence how you are a victim of a hoax.
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Post by Mark Caine on Apr 25, 2022 15:01:36 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia.
Kitty Hart Moxon's lies are far more pathetic and obvious than Grocher's yet you accept them as true. Do you really expect any thinking person to take you seriously?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 25, 2022 15:42:41 GMT
As I said, some people have fallen for a stupid and obvious hoax that can be perpetuated by simply writing crap in Wikipedia.
Kitty Hart Moxon's lies are far more pathetic and obvious than Grocher's yet you accept them as true. Do you really expect any thinking person to take you seriously?
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims?
The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
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Post by nazgul on Apr 25, 2022 19:34:22 GMT
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims? The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
Most of the propaganda came from the resistance organizations; once established others soon jumped on the bandwagon. They tell me that Holocaust novels sell quite well when depicted as a true story. They also get a few years of fame and a chance to inculcate children with their fibs. Once a lie starts it gains a momentum of its own; this is how major religion started and some minor ones. None of them except perhaps Buddhism are true. Onwe can tell from the argument above that gassing is accepted as fact by yourself so there is no need to regurgitate it in every sentence. While you accept it as fact you have yet to show hard evidence of a single jew gassed to death as claimed. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 26, 2022 7:54:28 GMT
If there was a hoax, why use witnesses as bad as Hart Moxon or Grocher? Why not have witnesses who have been properly coached to make credible claims? The explanation is that the hoax suggested by deniers is far too large to manage and the far simpler hoax of, deniers fell for stupid arguments about no mass gassings, is the hoax that has happened.
Most of the propaganda came from the resistance organizations; once established others soon jumped on the bandwagon. They tell me that Holocaust novels sell quite well when depicted as a true story. They also get a few years of fame and a chance to inculcate children with their fibs. Once a lie starts it gains a momentum of its own; this is how major religion started and some minor ones. None of them except perhaps Buddhism are true. Onwe can tell from the argument above that gassing is accepted as fact by yourself so there is no need to regurgitate it in every sentence. While you accept it as fact you have yet to show hard evidence of a single jew gassed to death as claimed. The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it. |
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Post by nazgul on Apr 26, 2022 8:20:21 GMT
The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it. This is only in your imagination and not a part of reality; an indication of the world you live in. Joseph Burg testified at the 1988 Zรผndel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. Dr. Wilhelm Stรคglich a German judge wrote that he did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews at Auschwitz. Stรคglic visited Auschwitz several times during the Second World War as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stรคglich published an account of his visits to Auschwitz in which he stated that on none of these visits did he see gassing installations, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. Stรคglich wrote: .. Stรคglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 293. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 26, 2022 8:42:43 GMT
The Holocaust denial hoax is easy to maintain. Publish a few books that appeal to those who hate Jews and/or love the Nazis and/or love conspiracy theories. That's it. This is only in your imagination and not a part of reality; an indication of the world you live in. Joseph Burg testified at the 1988 Zรผndel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. "Eighty-year-old ex-Nazi soldier Joseph Burg's rambling testimony included the claim that World War Il was a Zionist plot; and because such statements only helped the Crown's case, Pearson did not even bother to cross-examine him." Maybe you can provide the names of those people Burg claimed to have spoken to, who worked inside the Kremas. Staglich was not inside Krema I in 1942 or Kremas II to V in 1943-4. Like Burg, he is not an eyewitness to what happened inside at the times they were operating as gas chambers. |
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