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Post by been_there on Mar 30, 2022 9:36:40 GMT
Can somebody tell me why Russia has invaded Ukraine and destroyed thousands of buildings, including hospitals and schools, and killed and wounded thousands of innocent people by launching missiles at residential buildings and shooting innocent Ukrainian citizens for no reason ? What is the justification for this aggression ? ๐ Ermmmm... Can someone tell us when Crippen stopped beating his wife? (For the comprehension impaired: Crippen is using the โloaded questionโ fallacy.) Here is another question:
Can somebody tell us how to have a reasonable discussion with a person who gullibly believes everything the western media tells him he believes? ๐
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 30, 2022 18:55:32 GMT
Can somebody tell me why Russia has invaded Ukraine and destroyed thousands of buildings, including hospitals and schools, and killed and wounded thousands of innocent people by launching missiles at residential buildings and shooting innocent Ukrainian citizens for no reason ? What is the justification for this aggression ? ๐ Ermmmm... Can someone tell us when Crippen stopped beating his wife? (For the comprehension impaired: Crippen is using the โloaded questionโ fallacy.) Here is another question:
Can somebody tell us how to have a reasonable discussion with a person who gullibly believes everything the western media tells him he believes? ๐How odd that instead answering my question, the poster Been Thee responds with the above semi-abusive rant ? And appears to dismiss the actual truth as some 'loaded question fallacy' !! I can only assume this person doesn't like having his wild fantasies challenged, and becomes agitated when he realises his snake oil spiel is on the verge of being sussed. And regarding his western media gullibility accusation , this is so boring and lame. It's like the only line of defence these tragic fantasists have left in their armoury. Even when something reported by the western media turns out to be fact, they will still churn this line out. Check out the facts regarding the 2 GRU clowns from the Salisbury poisonings (cctv and interview and true identity etc). Why doesn't Been There want to discuss this key evidence that proves Russian involvement ? Even the worthless blog from Craig Murray that he produced didn't address this key and conclusive evidence. Yet all this info on the GRU assassins originated from the 'western media'. So, what is Been There's excuse for failing to address such conclusive evidence that totally destroys his pathetic 'false flag' fantasies ? Come on Been There, let's talk about these Russian 'civilians' Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov. Lets talk about the massive coincidence how both were filmed in Salisbury on the day before and the day of the Skripal poisoning, and the even bigger coincidence they had decided to use false names and were discovered to actually be GRU operatives !! But Putin told the world they were mere civilians, even after awarding one of them a 'Hero of Russia' award for some military achievement !!! Then another coincidence you can discuss - how Putin had called them traitors and scum, and had promised they'd 'kick the bucket, choking on the pieces of silver' !!! rodoh.info/post/5623/threadLook forward to reading your thoughts on it all , mate . In your own time  [/font][/quote] |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 30, 2022 19:01:08 GMT
Right, so no justification then. Just the crazed notion of a mentally ill murdering colonialist . Funny how some posters on here appear ok with that, and some openly supporting Russia. Maybe they too share the same illness as Mad Vlad ? What is your problem with the invasion? Do you get this upset at every invasion? My problem ?? Well...apart from the illegality of it, the pointless murder, the pointless destruction , the rape of innocent women, the sacrifice of young Russians who weren't even told where they were going, the increased risk of a nuclear conflict...nothing really . Yes I do get upset at them all, although some more than others. |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 30, 2022 19:20:06 GMT
Norris Crippen wrote: Nope, don't know how much money Putin has in the bank and neither do you since you get your propaganda from CNN. I imagine he's stashed a good bit if he's anything like our politicians or Zelensky who is known to have socked away a good bit in a very short time. Our politicians go to D.C. to do good and they do very well indeed. Say, did you see the CNN report on how the eeevul Rooshians bombed (or shelled) that tank farm in Edmonton, Canada? Lots of flames and clouds of black smoke. The dirty dogs. Well, according to CNN the Ukies are winning. They even showed film of a Rooshian attack chopper getting shot down. Well, no matter that it was a clip from a video game. It coulda' and shoulda' happened and besides, CNN viewers will believe it. Have you seen the Russian version of what's been happening in Donetsk(sp)? It would seem that the war on eastern Ukraine has been going on for a bit longer than the eeevul Rooshian invasion. No clean hands in this shitshow but of all involved, Putin and the eastern Ukrainians seem to have the least dirt on them. So you can't produce anything that challenges my suspicions that Putin is worth 200 billion dollars ? But according to you it can't be true because of an incident in Edmonton reported on by CNN ? Wow, you're a really logical person aren't you ? |
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Post by nazgul on Mar 30, 2022 19:58:11 GMT
let's talk about these Russian 'civilians' Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov. Lets talk about the massive coincidence how both were filmed in Salisbury on the day before and the day of the Skripal poisoning, and the even bigger coincidence they had decided to use false names and were discovered to actually be GRU operatives !! But Putin told the world they were mere civilians, even after awarding one of them a 'Hero of Russia' award for some military achievement !!! Then another coincidence you can discuss - how Putin had called them traitors and scum, and had promised they'd 'kick the bucket, choking on the pieces of silver' Boshirovs' real name is Anatoliy Chepiga, colonel, Russian Military Intelligence. Alexander Petrovs' real name is Alexander Mishkin; born in July 1979 in Archangel trained as a military doctor, recruited into the SVR. (Foreign Intelligence Directorate) The elephant in the room are not these two operatives but "Porton down" chemical weapons facility; small quantities of chemical and biological agents are produced there to help develop effective medical countermeasures and to test systems; Novichok is one of these chemical agents of interest. These Russian undercover operative were there to observe the military exercises taking place plus something else. It is quite possible that Skripal was still spying for the Russians; it seems he did not come in from the cold. Due to his location in Salisbury, Skripal was in a perfect position to obtain the British Nerve agent based on the Novichok one; MI5 would have little current interest in him. It shows the lengths the Russians will go to in exploration of possible intelligence. No doubt Skripal was to meet with Chepiga and Mishkin and hand over this "nerve agent" to the " gay tourists" who merely wished to observe cathedrals and no doubt "stone henge". The Feds (FSB) could have had Skripal murdered considering many of their members were still KGB second chief directorate. when he was in Russia. This is a classic spy story which went terribly wrong. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 20:03:19 GMT
What is your problem with the invasion? Do you get this upset at every invasion? My problem ?? Well...apart from the illegality of it, the pointless murder, the pointless destruction , the rape of innocent women, the sacrifice of young Russians who weren't even told where they were going, the increased risk of a nuclear conflict...nothing really . Thank you for giving me your perspective. |
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Post by nazgul on Mar 31, 2022 0:37:57 GMT
The propaganda war has started. The head of Britains SigInt has publicly stated that Russian soldiers are demoralized and shooting down their own planes. They are also publishing reports about the Russian Soldiers raping, pillaging.
Normally the head of GCHQ Jeremy Fleming says nothing, he is only allowed to report to the Home Secretary not gossip like the old harpy he is; these reports are not verified by MI6 or anyone else.
Russia's defence ministry says its armed forces are professional and carrying out their duty in Ukraine with considerable success. It says the West has spread lies about the operation in an attempt to bring down Russia. I would agree totally with this statement.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 31, 2022 1:07:08 GMT
NorrisCrippen wrote: Let's see your proof that Putin is worth 200 billion. Not someone's speculation or opinion but some actual proof. Who in western media claims to have that information? Let's see some quotes, Crippen. Your "suspicions" aren't worth enough to buy a cup of coffee. Apparently Crippen DOES believe that a refinery fire in Edmonton, Canada happened in the Ukraine and was the result of Russian bombing/shelling. Did you slurp up the film clip from a video game as honest reporting, too? I'm logical enough to realize when I'm being told a lie. Apparently you aren't logical enough to realize that CNN was lying even when examples of their lies are stuffed in your face.
been-there wrote: Crippen only has discussions with people who agree with him. Anyone who doesn't agree with his views is either "insulting" or "illogical". |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 31, 2022 19:48:56 GMT
Who told you that ?
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 31, 2022 19:58:35 GMT
NorrisCrippen wrote: Let's see your proof that Putin is worth 200 billion. Not someone's speculation or opinion but some actual proof. Who in western media claims to have that information? Let's see some quotes, Crippen. Your "suspicions" aren't worth enough to buy a cup of coffee. Apparently Crippen DOES believe that a refinery fire in Edmonton, Canada happened in the Ukraine and was the result of Russian bombing/shelling. Did you slurp up the film clip from a video game as honest reporting, too? I'm logical enough to realize when I'm being told a lie. Apparently you aren't logical enough to realize that CNN was lying even when examples of their lies are stuffed in your face.
been-there wrote: Crippen only has discussions with people who agree with him. Anyone who doesn't agree with his views is either "insulting" or "illogical". What evidence will you accept ? A copy of Putin's bank statement and a sworn declaration from him and several family members that the information is correct ? And then confirmation from five handwriting experts that the signature is genuine ? And then video of actual bank notes stored in his safe , with Putin pointing at the money doing a thumbs up to the camera ? And then a copy of his Tax return from the last ten years stamped by the relevant Russian Tax Authorities plus a signed copy of Putins audited accounts , again with all signatures verified by handwriting experts  Something like that maybe ? Where did I say I agree with the Edmonton stuff ? Please link to where I said this. Thanks |
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Post by Ulios on Mar 31, 2022 20:34:03 GMT
The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 31, 2022 20:41:28 GMT
NorrisCrippen:
Something besides your suspicion. A paper trail to the hidden wealth and Putin's association with it. The name of some of the institutions where this hidden wealth is kept. Investments. That sort of thing.
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You claim to believe what's touted on CNN and that was on CNN so you either believe it or know that CNN lied to you. Which is it? How about the clip from the video game? Those two items are just the most recent lies that they've put out for their gullible fools.
BTW, we had a poster here a while back who put a space between the end of a sentence and a question mark. Can't recall his handle but it's a remarkable similarity. Anyone recall who it was that did that? Crippen argues remarkably like the Klowns do so I'm curious.
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 31, 2022 20:42:07 GMT
The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars. That will be enough for Turnagain. The trusted source that is the Kremlin will be sufficient for him. Unless this is reported on CNN of course, then it will be false. |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 31, 2022 20:49:42 GMT
NorrisCrippen: Something besides your suspicion. A paper trail to the hidden wealth and Putin's association with it. The name of some of the institutions where this hidden wealth is kept. Investments. That sort of thing. Crippen wrote: You claim to believe what's touted on CNN and that was on CNN so you either believe it or know that CNN lied to you. Which is it? How about the clip from the video game? Those two items are just the most recent lies that they've put out for their gullible fools. BTW, we had a poster here a while back who put a space between the end of a sentence and a question mark. Can't recall his handle but it's a remarkable similarity. Anyone recall who it was that did that? Crippen argues remarkably like the Klowns do so I'm curious. I told you before, i just used two of hundreds available, and one happened to be CNN. Now according to you that means I believe 100% of every report CNN produce. That's not logical is it ? In fact it's a bit of a silly conclusion to come to, isn't it ? Apparently i'm 'goody' according to one poster on here, and statistical mechanic according to another. You might aswell throw a 3rd in for good measure |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 31, 2022 20:51:37 GMT
NorrisCrippen wrote:
I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Putin hasn't feathered his nest at least to some extent while he's been Russia's leader. Zelensky owns a multi-million dollar mansion in Florida amongst other possessions and holdings. Our politicians certainly have no qualms about their shady monetary gains.
Why are you lying about what I've said, Crippen?
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Something like that maybe ?