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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 27, 2022 13:46:01 GMT
The poster 'Been There' has also posted a rather long-winded but erroneous and dishonest response, which I will respond to later. I hope any future input from this poster will be more brief and concise and not include what appears to be warped views and deliberate distortion of reality.
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 27, 2022 18:27:24 GMT
Been There : About Russia ? No I don't agree but even if it were true it would be irrelevant to any honest individual who wishes to investigate the truth. To understand Putin, one should listen to his speeches, broadcasts, read his essays and listen to people who know him or have dealt with him. Observe what he does, how and why he does it. The important thing is how honest you are in assessing the available evidence. Been There : Living in the West, in the 21st century we are lucky to be in a position to discover the truth by accessing the numerous sources available. And because of this I'm sure if I presented material during the course of this discussion that you suspect to be mere propaganda or misinformation, then I'm sure you will have no trouble whatsoever in pointing this out, agreed ? Been There : You may well believe that, and no doubt because you are immune from the propaganda, you will be able to explain why my judgement on Putin is false, and provide evidence to support this. Yes ? Been There : A poor attempt at trying to draw comparison with the murders carried out by Putin and his mafia : 1) Soleimani was a terrorist and a danger to Americans, it's almost akin to a killing an enemy in wartime. 2) 10 civilians in Kabul - this was a mistake. Unfortunate, yes but look at the chaos that was present at the time. 3 days earlier the Taliban had killed hundreds in the attack on the airport. 3) Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki - yes, an innocent victim (even though his dad was a terrorist) the intended target was an Al Qaeda terrorist ,Ibrahim al-Banna who was also killed in this attack, but curiously you fail to mention this. So again this is akin to a war time killing and Al Awlaki was NOT specifically targeted . 4) Nawar al-Awlaki - again an unfortunate innocent victim (half brother of Al Awlaki ) who was coincidentally in the near vicinity of Al Qaeda terrorists , but she was NOT targeted by Trump. Sorry BeenThere, but your attempt to equate these terrorist related murders with the targeted murders of Russian citizens by their own leader, Putin just for the crime of journalism and investigating, falls way short of what I originally asked for. Been There : I'm not aware of any evidence that any western leader ordered the murder of Gadafi , are you ? If not, then why include his name in your list ?  Been There : Not quite sure the relevance of Dumas's unsupported claim is. Been There : Maybe you can inform me of the "propaganda-free" news that is available in Russia , and the well known freedoms of the press etc  . And then tell me why you think Putin is so popular . Maybe you can add a few stories regarding the fate of journalists who dare to question Putin and his mafia government too. www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/10/russia-dozens-journalists-detained-peaceful-protests www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-news-war-journalists-prison-sentences/Been There : How many other western leaders order the murder of opponents and journalists, for having the audacity of investigating corruption and crime ? I will respond to the final half later. |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 27, 2022 20:15:27 GMT
Continued Been There : The above is totally meaningless. Maybe it is just your opinion based on your admiration for someone who shares the same dislikes as you, mainly the more democratic and civilised 'west'. Been There : Well maybe when you research Putins wealth (which you amazingly claim ignorance over) then that may give us a clue as to how these Eastern Europeans earn so much. Meanwhile here are some sources thefederal.com/international/vladimir-putins-wealth-1-4bn-mansion-700-cars-58-aircraft-mega-yacht-and-more/edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/business/putin-wealth-sanctions-invs/index.htmlWhere do you get your info from ? RT news channel ? PMSL  Been There : America is not 'zionist controlled' so your point is meaningless. I'm beginning to hear alarm bells though. When I hear those sort of claims then it usually follows the person who is making them is a conspiracy theorist with an agenda, or anti-semite. Are you one of those people ? Been There : Yes I am aware a couple on my list had other enemies but any reasonably minded individual should recognise the common denominator in all this, they were critics of Putin and were investigating his corruption. I think it's safe to say this is a tad too much of a coincidence, especially when reading into each of their stories. Been There : I'm not predisposed to believing the worse without fact checking. You are only assuming this. Been There : Yeah, i'm aware of the interview with the two GRU assassins who claimed they were visiting Salisbury to see the Cathedral !! . I'm aware that Putin called them civilians but he was lying. I'm aware of the novichok found in their B&B where they stayed the night before. I'm also aware they used false passports. They also claimed they left Salisbury because of all the slush and snow !! But there wasn't hardly any per cctv . Are those the 'lies' and 'inconsistencies' you are referring to ? www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-television-channel-rt-says-it-is-to-air-interview-with-skripal-salisbury-attack-suspects3rd and final response to follow |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 27, 2022 21:26:07 GMT
Maybe Putin should have applied to join Nato instead of asking to be invited. And anyway , why would Nato accept Russia when the purpose of the organisation was to prevent Russian/communist expansionism ? Oh dear, Israel is mentioned again I see. … … … … … ... Yes, and here we have it confirmed. You obviously have issues with Jews. I see you are also a holocaust denier too. rodoh.info/post/3588/thread________ I've lost the will to live. All I can see is an endless rant by an anti Jewish bore. Maybe if i'm in the mood tomorrow i'll respond. |
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Post by been_there on Mar 27, 2022 22:08:05 GMT
Oh dear, Israel is mentioned again I see.
...Yes, and here we have it confirmed. You obviously have issues with Jews. I see you are also a holocaust denier too. rodoh.info/post/3588/thread I've lost the will to live. All I can see is an endless rant by an anti Jewish bore. Maybe if i'm in the mood tomorrow i'll respond. No, I’m not against Jews, nor ”anti Jewish”, nor do I have ”issues with Jews”. 🙄 Nor do I ” deny the holocaust”! [Sheesh! 🤦♂️]What peculiar distortions. Ones that I suggest shows that you have been hopelessly propagandised. That would perhaps explain why you have deceived yourself about Barry Obama’s order to state-murder a 16 year old US citizen Abdurahman Awlaki, along with the boy’s 17-year-old cousin and several other innocent Yemenis who were unlucky to be near, and so were all murdered while they were eating out. You can’t deal with the truth so you tell yourself a comforting lie to do with his father and ”terryrists”. You are clearly in denial, Cripps. Barry murders American citizens, and you are ok with that. He ex-judicially murders American children, doesn’t even mention it, his flunkies hardly acknowledge it, and for you that is no problem. You just invent a self-appeasing lie. 😕 Anyway, now we know: YOU are one of the millions of gullible minions who want to believe anti-Putin propaganda, exactly as you have been programmed to do. And you are clearly quite incapable of considering your own conditioning even for a milli-second. Right! Ok. Got it! With such a humongously large, and arrogantly denied blnd-spot like that, I suspect you are the individual who hides behind the unnecessary and cowardly anonymity of the pseudonym Statistical Mechanical.  |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 27, 2022 23:16:45 GMT
Norris gave CNN as a source along with a subsidiary of a private Indian company. He's apparently a regular consumer of CNN propaganda but claims to not be propagandized. Been there, I think that you're urinating into an adverse weather condition trying to reason with Norris.
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Post by been_there on Mar 28, 2022 6:29:36 GMT
Exposing the US deceits on their bio-labs in Ukraine: |
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Post by been_there on Mar 28, 2022 6:36:06 GMT
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Post by thegodfather on Mar 28, 2022 13:03:12 GMT
That's Goody67 alright. His writing style and same unintelligent arguments confirm it.
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 28, 2022 14:31:35 GMT
In that post of yours that I linked to you appear to deny the mass gassing of Jews , probably the most infamous aspect of the whole Final Solution, and one which accounted for approximately 2 million of the 6 million death toll. And you claim not to be a holocaust denier !!! So how is one supposed to respond to that demented claim, while keeping a straight face ? You still appear to be struggling with the difference between collateral damage during hunting terrorists and deliberately targeted murders of journalists, lawyers and activists (ie non terrorists). If you believe these are somehow equatable then this just adds to my doubts over your ability to discuss honestly and to assess reality. Are you even aware of the horrific details surrounding Sergei Magnitsky ? If so, I wonder what spectacular explanation you've concocted to defend Putin and his cronies on that one ! I go with the evidence, just like the Skirpal GRU events which I laid out for you in my previous post, and the embarrassing attempt by Putin to deny responsibility . Maybe you might call this total f*** up /sham attempt at denying responsibility as 'propaganda' , but again , that's just a reflection on your biasedness and dishonesty. You haven't even responded to my comments on it ! I think even you will struggle to defend your beloved Mother Russia, "enemy of my enemy" on this one.  What kind of farce has this turned into ? Some competition to discover my identity ?? Here's what some other posters wrote earlier : "The more you post, the more I am convinced you're a certain person from Skeptics" rodoh.info/post/5487/thread"That's Goody67 alright. His writing style and same unintelligent arguments confirm it" rodoh.info/post/5589/threadIgnoring the fact that you can't even agree on who I supposedly am (if 'goody' or 'statistical mechanic' are not the same person) , I find this behaviour not only infantile, but unnecessary too. It's as if you are deliberately deflecting from the key points of the debate. I wonder why ?  [/quote] |
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 28, 2022 14:36:24 GMT
Norris gave CNN as a source along with a subsidiary of a private Indian company. He's apparently a regular consumer of CNN propaganda but claims to not be propagandized. Been there, I think that you're urinating into an adverse weather condition trying to reason with Norris. If you have any doubts over the accuracy of the facts in those sources then maybe you should make it known, rather than just post lame comments like above |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Mar 28, 2022 17:25:33 GMT
You still appear to be struggling with the difference between collateral damage during hunting terrorists and deliberately targeted murders of journalists, lawyers and activists (ie non terrorists). You are being disingenous. The moden lawyer and journalistist in the West is nothing more that a state asset used to spread terror and destroy the lives of those who dare to stand up against ZOG. |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Mar 28, 2022 17:34:05 GMT
Norris Crippen wrote: I'm not "praying" that Putin wins. I expect that he will achieve his objectives in Ukraine. If he doesn't then he will lose so much stature on the world stage that he will either have to resign or be given the boot. As far as his method of governing, how is that so different from ours? Biden and his collection of Jews and scoundrels are liars, criminals, thieves and murderers, too. Ever hear about "Arkancide"? Our uneducated rabble are thugs, thieves and drug addicts so your case is pot meet kettle. Does anyone think that faggot Zelensky who plays the piano with his dick is the saint and savior of Ulraine? Get real. I'm struggling to see any credible comparisons between Putin (and his government) and the leaders/government of USA/UK/France/Germany etc. For one, are you aware of any murders being carried out from the current leaders of 'the West' ? The most recent victim of ZOG/USA is Denis Kireev who was executed on the orders of the puppet president of Ukraine.
 Full article here Denis Kireev lies dead in the street after being executed on Zelensky’s orders |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Mar 28, 2022 17:47:37 GMT
The entire Ukrainian government is a puppet show controlled from Washington DC. In the video below we hear Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt discussing which individuals will make up their puppet government.
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Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 28, 2022 19:09:29 GMT
You still appear to be struggling with the difference between collateral damage during hunting terrorists and deliberately targeted murders of journalists, lawyers and activists (ie non terrorists). You are being disingenous. The moden lawyer and journalistist in the West is nothing more that a state asset used to spread terror and destroy the lives of those who dare to stand up against ZOG. Sorry Charles but you appear to be referring to some imaginary space alien , so i'll move on if you don't mind. Your next post shows a an alleged murder of a Russian spy. Just another casualty of war and nothing to get too upset about. Maybe if Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine then he might still be alive, poisoning homeless tramps in Wiltshire. |
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. And then tell me why you think Putin is so popular . Maybe you can add a few stories regarding the fate of journalists who dare to question Putin and his mafia government too. 
