Can westerners make a fair and accurate assessment of Putin... or not?
I hope any readers will agree that to understand Putin fairly and correctly, we first HAVE to understand that we ourselves have had a viewpoint and understanding that has been deliberately moulded and manipulated by decades of state-sponsored ‘news’.
If we can agree on that, can we also consider the possibility that that news has contained calculated misinformation and self-justifying propaganda?
If we cannot consider that possibility and allow for it then I suggest that is proof of just how successfully we ourselves have been propagandised.
I suggest that the news and ‘expert analysis’ we are subjected to, has always been biased, partisan, self-justification. Always!
Mark Twain, Lord Ponsonby and George Orwell have all attested to that in their own times. And that is my own understanding also: that we have always been the targets of ‘news’ designed to create emotionalised, irrational prejudice. Always.
Therefore, I strongly suggest that if we think that is not the case — or even if it were, that we ourselves have been immune to that, and it is only coincidental that our beliefs and understanding are completely in accordance with the official narrative — then we are successful victims of that emotional manipulation and misinformation.
That is why I believe what you wrote about Vlad is based on decades of western misinformation, misrepresentation and outright lies.
So, Norris, do you see (even if you disagree)?
E.g.1. you asked whether the leaders/government of USA/UK/France/Germany, etc., are responsible for any murders being carried out by what you call ”the current leaders of 'the West’...”
Er,... well YES! Of course! 🙄🤦♂️
Quite recently the USA murdered a top Commander and ”leader”, the Iranian general Qassem Soleimani
and 9 other people in January 2020. The Pentagon said U.S. President Donald Trump made the order. And an ex-Intel from Israel admitted they were involved. Five Iraqi nationals and four other Iranian nationals were killed alongside Soleimani. So 10 people MURDERED by a recent ”western leader”: 9 others murdered to murder one ”leader”.
American Presidents have been murdering foreign people of colour by Drone for decades. You didn’t know that? 😮
In a recent example, the Joe Biden
administration murdered 10 civilians, including seven children in a drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan in August 2021.Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki
was a 16-year-old United States citizen who was killed while eating dinner at an outdoor restaurant in Yemen by a drone airstrike ordered by U.S. President Barack Obama
on October 14, 2011.
Human rights groups questioned why al-Awlaki was killed by the U.S. in a country with which the United States was not at war. The deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union
, stated: "If the government is going to be firing Predator missiles at American citizens, surely the American public has a right to know who's being targeted, and why".
No reason was ever given.
Instead 6 years later on January 29, 2017, Nawar al-Awlaki
, the half-sister of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, was killed in an attack ordered by President Donald Trump. Nawar al-Awlaki, 8 yr old American citizen who was killed on January 29, 2017
Then there was the British and American arranged destabilisation and insurrection of a sovereign country Libya
and the ex-judicial murder of its ”leader” Col. Gaddafi
And the former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, revealed how Britain had planned covert action in Syria
as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business… I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”
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The clear reality is that with Russians Putin is easily the most popular President and head of state Russia has had for centuries.
And it is easy to understand why, if you are not a gullble consumer of only western propaganda ’news’.
Have many westerners listened to any of his speeches, his annual marathon televised Qs &As without notes or tele-prompters, his interviews with Oliver Stone?
What other world leder has made themselves so open to question and criticism?
What other world leader speaks in front of the TV cameras for many hours, fielding questions from ordinary people and journalists without notes or pre-prepared statements so constantly! There aren’t any!
If westerners haven’t seen any of that, then how are they basing their judgement?
How can they possibly have an informed, accurate fair opinion of him?
I myself have made it a point to listen to him, read transcripts of his speeches, seen him interact with western press and other leaders. And I have done the same with western leaders. And therefore, based on that, I regard him as easily the most trustworthy, honest leader by far. Seriously, BY FAR!!
Compare him with Reagan, Clinton, W. Bush, G.W.Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. He comes across as way more honest, well-informed, direct, reasonable and trustworthy. And more intelligent.
Compare him with Tony Bliar
, Theresa May, David Cameron, and Boris Johnson. Ditto.
Compare him with Sarkozy, Emmanuel Macron, Ursula von der Leyen, and any other European leader. Ditto!
The only one who came anywhere close in intelligence and direct talking in my opinion is Angela Merkel. The rest are puppets, posers and often mouthpieces of hidden hands pulling the strings from behind the scenes.
Then you talked of what you called Putin’s ”fortune”. You wrote: ”It is claimed he is worth approx 200 billion dollars”.
I don’t know anything about that.
Where you are getting your info from?
And are you applying this critique consistently?
Did you know that Zelensky has just bought a $35 million mansion in Florida. He owns a villa in Italy, worth €4.5 million and is a part-owner of properties in London said to be worth $6 million. His net worth as of 2022 is $705 million.
In 2018 when he became President he was said to be worth $320 million. But before he became President his earnings aren’t easily ascertainable. Why?
How did he, an ex-TV actor get without assistance to be the designated owner of a TV production company making that kind of money ?
Zelensky has only been President for just over three years. And he has amassed such personal wealth?!?
And do you really think it has no bearing on the situation that Zelensky is a dual-passport Israeli-Ukrainian Jew, backed by zionist-controlled America?
Regarding the list of names you imply Putin ordered murdered.
Is it possible that you are repeating western fake-news and anti-Putin propaganda? Did you check whether there are any counter views of these imprisonments and assassinations?
If not why not?
So Norris, if you are interested in an open, honest, no-holds-barred discussion, may I request you ask of yourself why do you suppose you are so predisposed to believeing the worst about him without fact-checking?
I again suggest it is probably because we have all been fed a constant stream of negative propaganda for years.
Just take the Skripal
Salisbury poisonings. That is in my opinion an OBVIOUS false flag attack. The official narrative is full of so many blatant inconsistencies, illogicalties and physical impossibilities. Are you aware of them?
If not, I think you should see this as further proof that you have not been exposed by western news and governments to ALL the information, nor to a fair, accurate reporting of it. I.e we HAVE been misinformed and propagandised. That means YOU also have been. Please do now consider this possibility.
I think the hypocrisy on Ukraine, by those who are effectively supporting and promulgating the NATO-led position is deeply staggering and disappointing, Norris.
What about Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Palestine, Gaza !??
(Yes, I regard ‘what-aboutism’ as entirely justified in reply to the widespread critique of Putin which I see as extremely hypocritical.)
Putin supported the west in Iraq and Libya. He even suggested to Clinton that Russia also join NATO. Did you know that? That suggestion was ignored and rebuffed.
Then after Libya he realised how the west was stealing oil and doing all that to serve American, NATO, and Israeli interests in the region. He then became a firm supporter of Iran, Syria and Assad against pro-Israeli machinations in the region.
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My assessment is that the 'elephant in the room' is, as always, Israel.
Israel wants Putin gone because he is the only one who is preventing them from achieving their genocidal, institutionally racist, ‘white’-Jew-only, lebensraum
in the middle East which they call ‘Ersats Israel’.
But nobody dare talk of this aspect because of the politicised ‘anti-semite’ canard.
Syria would have fallen and a western puppet installed, were it not for Putin’s support.
Iran would have had regime change and a western puppet installed, were it not for Putin’s support.
In all this we only have to ask 'cui bono?’.
It is clearly not Russia and it is not Ukraine. Russia is being excluded from the Atlantic Alliance with crippling sanctions.
Putin and Lavrov have repeatedly stated their interest is NOT and never has been conquest and territorial assimilation of Ukraine. Anyone who knows the history and the creeping NATO expansion, the broken promises and the admissions from the US of their motivation, knows that their statements are most likely perfectly true and accurate.
And yet our news and leaders have convinced the masses of the complete opposite!
I can provide an analysis of a BBC World Service broadcast with ‘experts’ that started from this blatantly false premise. I proved it was a deception using the actual statements from Putin that they were quoting and misrepresenting!
So... How and why has that deception and false understanding been achieved by this carefully prepared, main-stream-media, psyop onslaught?
We just have to be open to all perspectives fairly and honestly and then think it through.
I suggest to you Norris that it becomes clear when we do that, that this is yet another proxy war that as I see it serves mainly one ‘player’ that for its own territorial exansionalist goals NEEDS regime change in Russia, Putin gone and Russian power and influence in its own area, eliminated.
I can back up all of this with authoritative, verifiable evidence if you want it.🙂
I have been studying the world situation situation for a good ten years now from all available perspectives. This isn’t a new situation. The Ukrainian proxy war by the US is at least 8 years old. Adam Schiff himself admitted that 2 years ago:
Watch the above video from 13:43.
Amidst statements that were clear partisan, propaganda distortions, deceits and spin — Schiff admitted TWO YEARS AGO, that the US arms Ukraine to advance American interests in the region and beyond.
He also admitted that the US regarded themselves at war with Russia and have been using Ukrainians to fight that war:”...the military aid [to Ukraine] was for such essentials as sniper rifles, rocket propelled grenade launchers, radar night vision goggles, and other vital support for the war effort. Most critically, the military aid that we provide Ukraine helps to protect and advance American national security interests in the region and beyond.
...we have tens of thousands of troops stationed there. Moreover, as one witness put it ...the United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there and we don’t have to fight Russia here.”
Admitted by Adam Schiff on Day 2 of the Impeachment Trial of Trump on January 22nd, 2020.