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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 12:03:14 GMT
Mattogno has dismissed Klein as "no value", merely because [...false reason given]... Wrong yet again. He didn’t “dismiss Klein as of no value”. Another idiotic misrepresentation by you. 🙄 He dismissed a part of Klein’s testimony. And gave reasons why. Reasons which you didn’t include and when explained couldn’t understand.
I was referring to Mattogno's dismissal of Klein's testimony;
""Van Pelt tells us that this physician declared to have per-
sonally participated in “selections” of detainees arriving in the camp with the
transports and to have “admitted that he had visited a gas chamber when it
was not in operation” (pp. 238f.). But this “admission,” when viewed in its
context, has no value, as we can see from the corresponding transcript of the
trial:
“Question: Did you ever go down to the gas chamber [sic] yourself?
Klein: Yes, once, when it [sic] was not working.”
Mattogno gives his reasons for dismissing Klein
"Doctor Klein’s answer, which shows that he, in fact, did not know anything about homicidal gas chambers.
He, too, “confessed” because of mere expediency."
Mattogno does not explain what he means by that, he merely makes assertions with no evidence. It is not clear why Mattogno thinks Klein does not know anything about the gas chambers, or why his confession was expedient. He goes on to say;
"This also explains his un-certainties, which would otherwise be inexplicable for a true confessing sin-ner."
Again, Mattogno is making assertions. What uncertainties? Where does he get the notion that a true confession is only made in a certain way? Mattogno has offered nothing other that his opinion, as he tries to dismiss the evidence of an eyewitness who states what he does not want to hear, about the gassings inside the Kremas.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 12:06:45 GMT
Buh...buh...but, been-there, are gas chambers, graves, and cremation pyres all possible? Answer yes or no. If you answer yes then (cockadoodle doo) you just admitted that people were gassed, buried in mass graves, exhumed with a clamshell and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque at Treblinka. So there! You have answered yes, with the caveat of, but not how witnesses described gassings, graves and pyres. You then ignore that witness inaccuracies are the norm and that many witnesses just said they saw gassings, without describing the workings of the gas chambers, so your argument is a logical fail. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 12:08:38 GMT
No they are not strawmen distortions. Your argument is that the witness described gassings, graves and pyres are "physically impossible and refuted nonsense". Therefore, they lied about seeing such and such did not happen.
No, that is not my argument in THAT post you replied to. There is NOTHING there referring to ”pyres” or ”graves”. Please try to accept that again you are wrong. Again, you have made a literally stupid reply that is not comprehending what you are replying to. This is just more unthinking, automatic, knee-jerk contradiction from you. I challenged you to be specific about what in the particular testimony you think I regard as nonsensical and physically impossible. You replied that you are no longer able to see the testimony. That is a delusional, stupid and ignorant excuse. Firstly, because if you didn’t already know what I was referring to BEFORE my challenge, then you couldn’t possibly reply in any meaningful way. Secondly because anyone can log in as a guest. So you could also do that and re-read it if you are claiming you can no longer do so as ’Nessie’! 🤦♂️ CONCLUSION: You failed an extremely simple test. This PROVES you are not here to engage in meaningful, well-informed discussion of the Jewish experience in WW2 history. You are always unintelligently asking for ’evidence’ and claim your cultish belief-system is ’evidence based’. So please now accept this evidence from your recent replies proving that it is clearly not that. It is literally stupid denial of the actual forensic and documentary evidence. And the way you avoid dealing with that fact is literally psychotic. You use the illogical argument of how a witness describes something, credible and accurately determines if what that witness has said is truthful or not. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 5, 2022 12:59:23 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Uh-huh, now put "clangers and fantasies" in place of "inaccuracies" and you have a true statement. You excuse any lie under the rubric of witness inaccuracies. The hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers, exhuming whole bodies with a clamshell and the magic Jew barbeque are all as impossible as the little boy riding his tricycle to the moon but you claim that's impossible while demanding that we believe equally fantastic lies about the holyhoax.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 13:26:35 GMT
Nessie wrote: Uh-huh, now put "clangers and fantasies" in place of "inaccuracies" and you have a true statement. You excuse any lie under the rubric of witness inaccuracies. The hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers, exhuming whole bodies with a clamshell and the magic Jew barbeque are all as impossible as the little boy riding his tricycle to the moon but you claim that's impossible while demanding that we believe equally fantastic lies about the holyhoax.
If a witness said he saw a gas chamber, but does not describe how it worked, how do you know if that witness is lying or not?
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Post by been_there on Apr 5, 2022 13:27:40 GMT
Wrong yet again. He didn’t “dismiss Klein as of no value”. Another idiotic misrepresentation by you. 🙄 He dismissed a part of Klein’s testimony. And gave reasons why. Reasons which you didn’t include and when explained couldn’t understand.
I was referring to Mattogno's dismissal of Klein's testimony;
"...But this “admission,” when viewed in its context, has no value, as we can see from the corresponding transcript of the trial:
“Question: Did you ever go down to the gas chamber [sic] yourself?
Klein: Yes, once, when it [sic] was not working.”
Mattogno gives his reasons for dismissing Klein...
Again, Mattogno is making assertions. What uncertainties? Where does he get the notion that a true confession is only made in a certain way? Mattogno has offered nothing other that his opinion, as he tries to dismiss the evidence of an eyewitness who states what he does not want to hear, about the gassings inside the Kremas.
God’s teeth!! Your stubborn refusal to be corrected is quite staggering! Yes, I got what you wrote the FIRST time, and YOU ARE WRONG!! 🤦♂️ As I just explained!!! [Sheesh!] Mattagno wrote he was dismissing a PARTICULAR PART of Klein’s court testimony. Not him entirely. Nor even his entire testimony. He was clearly talking ONLY about this particular “admission”
And he explicity stated that ”when viewed” in a particular ”context” has ”no value”.
Again proving you can’t even correctly understand the significance of simple sentences written in the last two decades. Proving that you are notvquslified to comprehend, analyze and interpret statements, testimonies and documents translated from other languages EIGHTY YEARS ago! You easily are the most unreasonable, unintelligent, comprehension-challenged ’believer’ I have ever come across. 🙄 |
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Post by been_there on Apr 5, 2022 13:29:01 GMT
No, that is not my argument in THAT post you replied to. There is NOTHING there referring to ”pyres” or ”graves”. Please try to accept that again you are wrong. Again, you have made a literally stupid reply that is not comprehending what you are replying to. This is just more unthinking, automatic, knee-jerk contradiction from you. I challenged you to be specific about what in the particular testimony you think I regard as nonsensical and physically impossible. You replied that you are no longer able to see the testimony. That is a delusional, stupid and ignorant excuse. Firstly, because if you didn’t already know what I was referring to BEFORE my challenge, then you couldn’t possibly reply in any meaningful way. Secondly because anyone can log in as a guest. So you could also do that and re-read it if you are claiming you can no longer do so as ’Nessie’! 🤦♂️ CONCLUSION: You failed an extremely simple test. This PROVES you are not here to engage in meaningful, well-informed discussion of the Jewish experience in WW2 history. You are always unintelligently asking for ’evidence’ and claim your cultish belief-system is ’evidence based’. So please now accept this evidence from your recent replies proving that it is clearly not that. It is literally stupid denial of the actual forensic and documentary evidence. And the way you avoid dealing with that fact is literally psychotic. You use the illogical argument of how a witness describes something, credible and accurately determines if what that witness has said is truthful or not. Challenge dodged yet again! 🙄 Hopeless...! |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 13:52:07 GMT
I was referring to Mattogno's dismissal of Klein's testimony;
"...But this “admission,” when viewed in its context, has no value, as we can see from the corresponding transcript of the trial:
“Question: Did you ever go down to the gas chamber [sic] yourself?
Klein: Yes, once, when it [sic] was not working.”
Mattogno gives his reasons for dismissing Klein...
Again, Mattogno is making assertions. What uncertainties? Where does he get the notion that a true confession is only made in a certain way? Mattogno has offered nothing other that his opinion, as he tries to dismiss the evidence of an eyewitness who states what he does not want to hear, about the gassings inside the Kremas.
God’s teeth!! Your stubborn refusal to be corrected is quite staggering! Yes, I got what you wrote the FIRST time, and YOU ARE WRONG!! 🤦♂️ As I just explained!!! [Sheesh!] Mattagno wrote he was dismissing a PARTICULAR PART of Klein’s court testimony. Not him entirely. Nor even his entire testimony. He was clearly talking ONLY about this particular “admission”
And he explicity stated that ”when viewed” in a particular ”context” has ”no value”.
Again proving you can’t even correctly understand the significance of simple sentences written in the last two decades. Proving that you are notvquslified to comprehend, analyze and interpret statements, testimonies and documents translated from other languages EIGHTY YEARS ago! You easily are the most unreasonable, unintelligent, comprehension-challenged ’believer’ I have ever come across. 🙄 I know Mattogno has only dismissed the part of Klein's testimony about visiting the gas chamber when it was not in use. That is the only part of his testimony that I have discussed. You are nitpicking over semantics and they way I phrased my comments.
The context to what Klein said was that he was working at Birkenau and he went to the gas chambers once. He is another example of someone who worked at Birkenau and was inside the Kremas and saw what was happening. There is no eyewitness who was inside a Krema and states something else other than gassings took place.
Revisionists have to change tactics when a witness states what Klein did and that he saw the gas chambers, but does not describe their workings. When a witness describes how a gas chamber worked, revisionists pick over the claims to find things they can dismiss as physically impossible. That is why Mattogno has to hand wave Klein away.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 14:02:19 GMT
You use the illogical argument of how a witness describes something, credible and accurately determines if what that witness has said is truthful or not. Challenge dodged yet again! 🙄 Hopeless...! You said;
"I posted a ’survivor’ testimony that —as explained — I think contains nonsense and physically impossible claims.
I gave you a challenge. To try and detect what I am referring to."
Can you link to that survivor testimony, as I am no longer sure which testimony you are referring to, after being locked out of the part of the forum and various posts being moved.
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