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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 10:12:47 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 10:13:34 GMT
Why did the Nazis dig so many large pits at TII remains unanswered.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 19, 2022 10:20:21 GMT
Nessie's claim that the quarry lies "between" the two camps and not adjacent to T-I is bullsh!t.
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What remains unanswered is who dug all of the pits at T-II.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 10:49:16 GMT
Nessie's claim that the quarry lies "between" the two camps and not adjacent to T-I is bullsh!t. If you went from TI to TII on the road or railway, would you pass the quarry? The answer is yes. It is reasonable to describe the quarry as between TI and TII. There is no evidence there were already pits where TII was located. There is evidence the Nazis used excavators to dig large pits. Why did they dig those pits? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 19, 2022 11:39:37 GMT
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If I leave Anchorage for Deadhorse would I have to pass through Eagle River? The answer is yes. Deadhorse is ~865 miles north of Anchorage while Eagle River is about 10 miles north of Anchorage so, according to Nessie, it's reasonable to describe Eagle River being between Anchorage and Deadhorse.
There's no evidence that the Germans used excavators to dig any pits at Treblinka. None of the pits that CS-C claimed to have found came even close in either shape or volume of the graves described by the so-called eyewitnesses. The Soviets took control over that area in 1944 and apparently used T-II as a bombing/artillery range. It's alleged that grave robbers also dug holes at T-II. Your claim that you have evidence/proof of the Germans digging all the holes at T-II is unmitigated horse frocky.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 11:58:08 GMT
Nessie wrote: If I leave Anchorage for Deadhorse would I have to pass through Eagle River? The answer is yes. Deadhorse is ~865 miles north of Anchorage while Eagle River is about 10 miles north of Anchorage so, according to Nessie, it's reasonable to describe Eagle River being between Anchorage and Deadhorse. False analogy. A river is unlike a quarry and the distances you quote are huge. Fact is, to get from one camp to the other required going past the quarry, with TI ate one end and TII nearby to the other end, so it is reasonable to say the quarry is in-between the two camps. How would you describe the location of the quarry in relation to both camps? You are lying again. Lie and a lie that proves your claim above is a lie! The evidence is that the Nazis dug pits, and after the camp was abandoned the Soviets and locals dug into the ground to find valuables. Why did the Nazis dig so many large pits at TII? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 19, 2022 12:46:53 GMT
Nessie wrote:
The quarry was adjacent to T-I and ended about a half km from T-II.
Nessie goes for his "evidence"lie again. His "evidence" are the words of his lying witnesses.
You have no proof that the Germans dug any pits at Treblinka other than the normal pits for camp use. There were apparently some graves for people who died en route or at the camp but no mass graves as described by the witnesses.
Nessie will now drag out his mantra of "mistakes", "mis-estimations", "emotive language" etc. He can finish up his mantras by wailing, "Where did they gooooooo?".
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 12:51:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: The quarry was adjacent to T-I and ended about a half km from T-II. And it was in-between both of them, as you had to pass next to the quarry to get from one to the other. Witnesses and photos and geophysics. Show me another camp with multiple pits the size found by geophysics at TII and that had excavators working inside it. Why did they dig so many large pits? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 19, 2022 13:27:52 GMT
Yeah, and you have to pass Eagle River to get from Anchorage to Deadhorse.
Right, photos with no provenance and no "geophysics" of any 12X30X50 meter and larger graves. Oh, wait a minute, those giant graves were just "misestimations" or "emotive language" or perhaps just a peculiar "turn of phrase".
Kola claimed to have found such pits at Belzec and Sobibor although Haimi couldn't find any graves at Sobibor. There's no proof that excavators dug any graves at Treblinka. Nessie will now whine about his "evidence" e.g. the witnesses.
The question is, "Who dug the pits" if they actually exist. CS-C was very cagey about not showing her GPR scans.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 16:05:56 GMT
Yeah, and you have to pass Eagle River to get from Anchorage to Deadhorse. Right, photos with no provenance and no "geophysics" of any 12X30X50 meter and larger graves. Oh, wait a minute, those giant graves were just "misestimations" or "emotive language" or perhaps just a peculiar "turn of phrase". Kola claimed to have found such pits at Belzec and Sobibor although Haimi couldn't find any graves at Sobibor. There's no proof that excavators dug any graves at Treblinka. Nessie will now whine about his "evidence" e.g. the witnesses. The question is, "Who dug the pits" if they actually exist. CS-C was very cagey about not showing her GPR scans. Geophysics found multiple pits at TII, including
"One is 26m long, 17m wide and at least four metres deep, with a ramp at the west end and a vertical edge to the east.
Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located nearby. "
Multiple GPR scans and details about the scanning is here;
Figure 4.10. Locations of the GPR survey area at Treblinka II Figure 4.32. GPR time slices of feature G44 (shown in red) identified at Treblinka II in
the area of the former Death Camp
Figure 4.34. A GPR image plot of features G50-54 identified at Treblinka II in the area
of the former Death Camp
Figure 4.35. A GPR profile showing one of the cut edges of feature G38, identified at
Treblinka II in the area of the former Death Camp
Figure 4.34 is the GPR where the pits referenced above are. Not that you know how to read the scans!!!
"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 โ 22m
x c.15m, G53 โ c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). "
The scan is on page 216.
Stop lying.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 19, 2022 20:22:54 GMT
Trenches are generally excavated to install or maintain underground services or to investigate what is beneath the surface.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 20, 2022 2:31:32 GMT
For samples of actual GPR scans go here: www.sensoft.ca/blog/cemetery-data-grave-locator-findar/ Numerous other examples can be found by searching, "photos gpr scans". CS-C shows just one (1) example of such a scan. She claims that GPR showed "strong" and "weak" GPR signals in other photos but no actual scans from the GPR survey. Of course Nessie eats that up with a spoon but we know from her "documentary" that CS-C wasn't above chicanery with her "findings". Note the photos of her looking solemn and sad while standing in a barbed wire enclosure...at Majdanek. Then we have the pristine tile with the "star of David" imprinted on it along with her so emotive behavior at finding some bones at the Christian cemetery. We then have CS-C declaring that the investigation of Treblinka was an ongoing project and how she would return to continue her investigation of Treblinka and the despicable acts of the barbaric and murderous Germans. Right, after a 12 year absence I think it safe to say that CS-C had no intention of ever returning to Treblinka. It had served it's purpose. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 20, 2022 7:54:18 GMT
The reason why you dodge answering the topic question, is because you know the only reason to dig such huge pits is to bury lots of bodies.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 20, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
Nessie wrote:
First we have nothing but the very dodgy claim by CS-C that such excavations exist at Treblinka. She shows only one photo of a GPR scan for one pit. She doesn't show any scans for the pits marked G50-G54. She shows what she claims to be areas of "high" and "low" resistance which is more indicative of an electrical resistivity test rather than GPR. No GPR scans are presented.
ALL of the alleged pits are irregularly shaped and NO, zip, zero, nada proof is presented that the pits were dug by the Germans. The Treblinka area was overrun by the Soviets in early or mid 1944 and remained under communist control for decades. You merely assume that the alleged pits had to be dug by the Germans based on nothing but the testimony of known liars such as Wiernik and Rajchman.
You've been told this multiple times so why do you continue to claim that I'm "dodging the question"?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 20, 2022 12:22:37 GMT
Nessie wrote: First we have nothing but the very dodgy claim by CS-C that such excavations exist at Treblinka. She shows only one photo of a GPR scan for one pit. She doesn't show any scans for the pits marked G50-G54. She shows what she claims to be areas of "high" and "low" resistance which is more indicative of an electrical resistivity test rather than GPR. No GPR scans are presented. What is the difference between a "A GPR image plot" and a "GPR scan", and why is one not acceptable and the other is? Show an example of that. Show a pit and explain what you mean by it is irregularly shaped and how it could not have been dug as a rectilineal pit. You are lying again. It is you who has no proof that the ground at TII never had any large pits dug there by the Nazis and it was someone else who dug them. Show your evidence the Nazis left the ground largely undisturbed and it was the Soviets who dug the large pits. You have contradicted yourself, I cannot be making an assumption, when you admit there is evidence. Just because you disagree with those witnesses, does not mean I have no evidence. You weasel dodge that EVERY SINGLE witness who worked inside TII said it had mass graves and multiple locals to the camp said they saw excavators working inside the camp. You are alleging dozens of people, Jewish, Nazi and Polish colluded and lied. There is ample evidence to prove the Nazis dug large pits at TII and you are dodging that because you know the only evidenced reason to dig such pits was to bury bodies. |
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