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Post by Nessie on Apr 17, 2022 8:06:53 GMT
I knew TI was a labour camp next to the quarry. You now know that as well. Your logic is flawed. If a witness describes a large pit and geophysics finds a smaller pit, that logically means the witness over estimated the size of the pit. You were adamant the M&H dragline could not be used. You then admitted it was only impossible to dig as deep as witnesses described and it could dig as long or as wide as described. Since geophysics shows the graves were not as big as described, we now know the M&H dragline could dig them. How they dealt with the ex and stockpiled it is and unknown. It is suspected it was piled around the graves, which, since not as much ex came out as you calculate, would work. But, we are back to your arrogant view of the world, and unless you can work it out, you claim no one can. Meanwhile you dodge the topic, because you cannot explain why such large pits were dug at TII.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 17, 2022 9:45:37 GMT
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No, T-I was established next to the quarry to provide labor for the quarry. You apparently didn't know that the camp was established specifically to provide labor for the existing quarry.
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Post by been_there on Apr 17, 2022 13:49:19 GMT
Hilarious! ๐คฃ๐
๐ Once it is pointed out to him it was a quarry serviced by a penal colony โSPECIFICALLYโ to provide labourers to work the quarry:๐คฆโโ๏ธ Beyond reason! Quite beyond any reasonable, honest discussion!
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Post by Nessie on Apr 17, 2022 14:00:27 GMT
Hilarious! ๐คฃ๐
๐ Once it is pointed out to him it was a quarry serviced by a penal colony โSPECIFICALLYโ to provide labourers to work the quarry: ๐คฆโโ๏ธBeyond reason! Quite beyond any reasonable, honest discussion!
Turnagain said "T-I was a quarry you dunce. Evidence of the excavations are still clearly visible."
The excavations are clearly visible at the quarry, TI labour camp shows no signs of excavations. Why did the Nazis dig large pits at TII and not TI?
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 17, 2022 18:59:24 GMT
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Who did the GPR investigation of T-I that determined that no pits were ever dug in the camp?
Where is your proof that it was the Germans who dug the alleged pits at T-II?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 18, 2022 9:36:06 GMT
nessie wrote: Who did the GPR investigation of T-I that determined that no pits were ever dug in the camp? Where is your proof that it was the Germans who dug the alleged pits at T-II? Why do you keep on asking me the same, already answered questions?
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 18, 2022 9:49:03 GMT
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Because you've never answered them. Just the same old, "I already done that" schtick. Who did the GPR survey of T-I and can we see those scans? The pits at T-II are irregularly shaped and where is your proof that the Germans dug those pits? The Soviets had been in control of that area since early 1944.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 18, 2022 10:29:18 GMT
Nessie wrote: Because you've never answered them. Just the same old, "I already done that" schtick. Who did the GPR survey of T-I and can we see those scans? The pits at T-II are irregularly shaped and where is your proof that the Germans dug those pits? The Soviets had been in control of that area since early 1944. Again.
1 - no one has conducted a GPR survey at TI.
2 - pre war maps showing woods and farm land at TII compared to the 1944 aerial photo, along with the Kurt Franz photos of excavators working at TII and all the witness evidence of excavators at TII, proves it was the Nazis who dug the pits.
That is your questions answered, again.
Now answer my question, why did the Nazis dig such large pits at TII?
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 18, 2022 14:30:13 GMT
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So how do you know that there weren't any pits dug at T-I?
How does that prove that the Germans dug ALL of the pits supposedly found by CS-C? Right, it doesn't. Try again, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 18, 2022 14:37:59 GMT
Nessie wrote: So how do you know that there weren't any pits dug at T-I? There is no evidence of pits being dug and to clarify, I mean large pits, many meters deep, long and wide, not small latrine or rubbish pits that would be dug in any camp. The 1944 aerial photo does not show disturbed ground at TI, as it does at TII. The pre war maps show no sign of anything other than woodland and fields at TII, with the quarry next to it. No witness speaks to excavations there before the camp was built. All the excavation activity is evidenced as having happened whilst the camp was there.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 18, 2022 14:46:38 GMT
IOW you don't know your arse from your elbow about whether or not any pits were dug at T-I.
Nessie wrote: IOW, you don't know your arse from your elbow about who dug the pits at T-II that were supposedly found by CS-C.
Edit. Wait a minute! What the hell do you mean that the quarry was next to T-II? Is that a typo?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 18, 2022 15:09:16 GMT
IOW you don't know your arse from your elbow about whether or not any pits were dug at T-I.
Nessie wrote: IOW, you don't know your arse from your elbow about who dug the pits at T-II that were supposedly found by CS-C.
Edit. Wait a minute! What the hell do you mean that the quarry was next to T-II? Is that a typo?
IOW, I can prove with evidence from witnesses, maps and photos alone, that no huge pits were dug at TI, but they were dug at TII.
You clearly, even after all this time, do not know how TI, TII and the quarry were located on the spur railway line. Leave the main line on the spur and after about 1km is TII, then another 0.5km and it is one end of the quarry, which stretches for about 0.3 km and then a few hundred meters further is TI. The two camps are either side of the quarry.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 18, 2022 21:50:51 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 8:56:37 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have witness statements that there were no pits at T-I? Names and links, please. There are maps and photos showing that there were never at any time any pits at T-I? Again, links to these maps and photos. Show the photos of the huge mass graves at T-II. You are getting mixed up about which evidence applies to which camp. You know there are no photos of the mass graves at the time they had been dug. When I can find the 1930s map, I will post it, as well as witnesses from TI. That link does not work, but any map of the area shows the spur line with TII first, then the quarry starts at a thin point, it continues and widens and the line turns and the other end of the quarry is TI.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 19, 2022 10:07:07 GMT
Nessie wrote: I'll be damned! "Startpage", the search engine took that site down. It seems that almost all references to Treblinka I, the penal/labor camp have been taken down across the board. Google, Swiss Cows, Startpage, et al. take all search terms that use "Treblinka" go only to "Treblinka extermination camp". Perhaps the Treblinka penal/labor camp has been buried under about 10,000 or more hits for Treblinka the extermination camp. Aha! Found a map on Google. Not a very good one but go here: www.alamy.com/stock-photo/treblinka.html Second line, last photo. It clearly shows the location of T-II, the quarry and T-I. Better look quick before it's taken down, too. At any rate, the quarry begins a half km or better south of T-II and terminates with T-I which is adjacent to the quarry. Makes sense since the penal/labor camp was established to provide labor in the quarry. Nessie's claim that the quarry was located between the camps is bullsh!t.
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