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Post by Ulios on Apr 15, 2022 9:08:39 GMT
How does disturbed ground corroborate mass graves when there are so many other reasons for the disturbance. It is a correlation and nothing to do with a cause. Logic. If a witness claims large pits were dug to burying bodies that were exhumed cremated and mixed back into the ground, which was then subjected to mass grave robbing, I would logically expect to find disturbed ground and the remains of pits containing cremated remains. That is what was found.
Perhaps Nessie may realize the inconsistencies with his current version of cremations and the whole charred body version mentioned at altmarkt and elsewhere. He used those as an analogy to his Treblinka cremations. What would be found would be charred corpses; were these found? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 15, 2022 9:48:27 GMT
Nessie logic: The Germans murdered ~860,000 with CO so disturbed ground must be the graves the Jews were buried in.
Nessie begins with his conclusion and works backwards from there. Therefore, disturbed ground equals graves.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 15, 2022 14:27:21 GMT
Nessie logic: The Germans murdered ~860,000 with CO so disturbed ground must be the graves the Jews were buried in. Nessie begins with his conclusion and works backwards from there. Therefore, disturbed ground equals graves. When witnesses make claims, it is normal to work backwards to see if there is evidence to back up those claims. That is how many investigations work. A witness reports a crime and then an investigation is started to see if there is sufficient evidence to prove a crime has been committed. Your ignorance of that is one of the many reasons why you get so confused.
If a witness reports that many people have been killed, they were buried, but then the corpses were dug back up, cremated and then the remains were mixed back into the ground and then, on top of that, it is found grave robbers have been digging up the site, what would you expect to find? What would confirm that witness is telling the truth?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 15, 2022 14:28:38 GMT
Logic. If a witness claims large pits were dug to burying bodies that were exhumed cremated and mixed back into the ground, which was then subjected to mass grave robbing, I would logically expect to find disturbed ground and the remains of pits containing cremated remains. That is what was found.
Perhaps Nessie may realize the inconsistencies with his current version of cremations and the whole charred body version mentioned at altmarkt and elsewhere. He used those as an analogy to his Treblinka cremations. What would be found would be charred corpses; were these found? Yes, burnt remains, from cremains to larger identifiable human remains were found. That is evidence to corroborate the witness claims. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 2:16:56 GMT
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The witnesses stated that there were graves of various sizes at Treblinka. Has anyone found any of those graves? Of course not. They haven't even come close. Nessie says, "Hey pits is pits so the graves have been located".
That's according to Lukaszkiewcz. Did he offer any samples for analysis or photos of those human cremains? Of course not. Evidence my shiny hiney.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 7:54:01 GMT
Nessie wrote: The witnesses stated that there were graves of various sizes at Treblinka. Has anyone found any of those graves? Of course not. They haven't even come close. Nessie says, "Hey pits is pits so the graves have been located". They have been located, a series of large pits next to the larger memorial, which covers most of the area where the witnesses all locate the mass graves. I show you evidence, it does not suit, so you demand more evidence. Lukaszkiewicz is corroborated by contemporaneous photos of the site, the 1944 aerial photo and the subsequent site examination. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 8:09:49 GMT
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Uh-huh, pits is pits. No matter if the largest pit that CS-C claimed to have found was about one quarter the area of the graves described by the alleged eyewitnesses.
Nessie gives the unsupported words of a communist lackey and calls it "evidence". I lack Nessie's religious faith in the claims of the holyhoax.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 8:52:54 GMT
Nessie wrote: Uh-huh, pits is pits. No matter if the largest pit that CS-C claimed to have found was about one quarter the area of the graves described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Nessie gives the unsupported words of a communist lackey and calls it "evidence". I lack Nessie's religious faith in the claims of the holyhoax. So, why did they dig so many large pits at TII? Why were excavators not used to dig large pits at TI? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 10:08:58 GMT
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Who dug the pits? Why did the Soviets use Treblinka for a bombing range? Where did the unexploded ordnance come from? Tell us precisely how you know that the Germans dug such pits.
T-I was a quarry you dunce. Evidence of the excavations are still clearly visible.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 10:18:15 GMT
Nessie wrote: Who dug the pits? The Nazis, as evidenced by witnesses, geophysics and pre war maps and the aerial photo, which show farmland and woods pre war, turned into disturbed ground by 1944. The Soviets joined local Poles to grave rob the site as they looked for valuables to sell. TI was a labour camp you moron and the aerial photo shows undisturbed ground. www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/biglabourair.jpgThe quarry was between TI and TII. That is why your questions about how did the Nazis get excavators to TII are so moronic. It was next to a quarry you idiot. Only a lunatic claims it is physically impossible to get excavators to and dig big pits in a camp next to a quarry!!! So, stop weasel dodging and explain why the Nazis dug such large pits inside TII. |
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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 10:43:21 GMT
TI was a labour camp you moron and the aerial photo shows undisturbed ground. Seems like the moderator has lost the way. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 10:51:40 GMT
TI was a labour camp you moron and the aerial photo shows undisturbed ground. Seems like the moderator has lost the way. Seems like you have a selective standard, that excuses Turnagain's abuse and fails to note I am reacting to what he said.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 12:03:15 GMT
Yes, T-I was a penal/labor camp that worked the quarry. The quarry itself is a large pit where the aggregates were removed. Current photographs show that to be true. You're still a dunce.
The M&H draglines were far to small to dig the graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. I've never said that the Germans couldn't have walked the M&H draglines from T-I to T-II. Where did you come up with that bullshit?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 12:14:04 GMT
Yes, T-I was a penal/labor camp that worked the quarry. The quarry itself is a large pit where the aggregates were removed. Current photographs show that to be true. You're still a dunce. You are the idiot who thought TI was a quarry!!! Why did the Nazis dig large pits inside TII, but not TI? Logically, that means the witnesses overestimated how big the graves were. Geophysics found pits smaller than described. You constantly ranted about mystery excavators being magically delivered to TII and claimed that was impossible. I constantly pointed out TII was next to a quarry, you idiot. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 19:49:44 GMT
Nessie wrote: Go here:
Logically that means that the witnesses lied about the size and shape of the graves. CS-C claimed to have discovered irregular and much smaller pits that she labeled "probable graves". She didn't publish her GPR scans and never returned to Treblinka as she said she was going to do. The total area of the pits claimed to be "probable graves" was much too small to contain over 700,000 cadavers. You were adamant about the M&H draglines from T-I not being the machines to dig the graves and stockpile the ex at T-II. You claimed that since none of the witnesses said that the M&H draglines were used to dig the graves then a much larger excavator, a mystery machine, was imported by the Germans to both dig and stockpile the ex from the graves. You then claimed that the M&H equipment was only brought to T-II to tidy up the area after the camp had been razed. You are now apparently claiming that the M&H draglines were brought to T-II for the purpose of digging the mass graves. It's been explained to you numerous times the limitations of the M&H equipment and shown photographs of the M&H equipment at work but that doesn't seem to put a dent in your bizarre claims for the performance of the M&H draglines (baggers, excavators, diggers, whatever). So, which is it? Did the mystery machine dig and stockpile the ex from the graves or did the M&H draglines perform that task? |
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