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Post by jeff8675309 on May 6, 2022 17:07:55 GMT
But how is she a political prisoner when what she believes is some silly conspiracy? Some would suggest it is you who believe in a conspiracy, a hoax no less. Nazi Granny was born in 1928, was at the impressionable age of 13 at the height of the third Reich. She was National Socialist, still is. proud of it like so many other Germans today. The law is just an excuse to shut her up and make her pay for non existent sins. They can suggest it. What’s to be proud of? |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 6, 2022 17:09:45 GMT
Jeff (numbers) wrote: That Hoess wrote his confession in English speaks for his preference for that language over German, his mother tongue. That or the supposed confession beaten out of him by his Jew interrogator is worthless as a factual document. Jeffy stoutly stands up for the validity of a coerced confession and Hoess's preference for English as his principle language. At any rate, this thread is supposed to be about Ursula Haverbeck and her persecution for speaking the truth. If Jeffy wants to carry on with his Hoess fantasy he can do so in Nessie's forum or start a new thread. I cheerfully admit to not having much interest in the Jew's lies about Auschwitz-Birkenau. The impossibilities described for not only the AR camps but the A-B complex are obvious to anyone except for those with an axe to grind or the most gullible of dimwitted fools. You drove this off the rails like you enjoy doing, Turnagain. I won’t bother to reply to your off-topic spew so take it elsewhere. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 6, 2022 17:26:27 GMT
that happened six years ago are ” persistent law-breaking’ I had to cut out a lot of dribble to get to anything substantive. Been-there continues to blindly insist that he can’t understand the concept of “persistent.” This after I showed him why she is a persistent law breaker and why the German government would continue to prosecute her. It sounds like a personal problem that I can’t help with. Obfuscatory pedantry from the faithful true-believer. As I remember it, Höß’s english was by his own admission, extremely basic. So the FACT being dodged is that he could NOT have dictated the confession in English that he was tortured into signing. [/quote] All of this is off-topic. But…. It was written in English, it doesn’t mean that he spoke English but that he could understand the really basic level English on the paper. But his subsequent conviction in Poland isn’t based on this singe confession. The reason why he was testifying on Kaltenbrunner’s behalf wasn’t due to this confession. The both of you acting all outraged about it are ignoring his own memoirs which match in detail other witness and documents, particularly those widely released after 1990. Personally I’m surprised at both of you. Hoess said in his testimony that concentration camp prisoner were not routinely abused and that Allied bombing caused the deterioration in the camps. I’m surprised you two didn’t pick up on that. Again, off-topic…. But no one tortured Hoess at Nuremberg or in Poland. Do you have evidence otherwise? Certainly no one would accuse the West German government of torturing it’s own citizens during their trials. Or do you have evidence otherwise? The original IMT wasn’t really a Holocaust trial but no one would accuse the Allies of torturing the defendants. Or do you have evidence otherwise? Now, people, let’s leave the off-topic stuff off this thread. |
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Post by been_there on May 7, 2022 8:11:38 GMT
Thought crimes in the 21st century! 😕 Just check out the crazy logic and genuine denial of reality there. The judge apparently said Ursula “showed no insight into the criminal nature of her behaviour”. Of course she didn’t. Because there obviously is nothing universally accepted as ’criminal’ in a free country to expressing one’s honestly-held views and supporting them with verifiable evidence. What is universally accepted as ’criminal’ is forcing people to deny their honestly-held views by persistently persecuting them with court cases and imprisoning them. Only people who hate the pursuit of historical truth and accuracy would deny that!  |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 9, 2022 20:10:51 GMT
The judge apparently said Ursula “showed no insight into the criminal nature of her behaviour”. Well, if Nazi grandma persists in breaking the law then why suspend her sentence? |
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Post by Ulios on May 9, 2022 20:45:13 GMT
Well, if Nazi grandma persists in breaking the law then why suspend her sentence? This mistreatment of an old lady will result in the rise of National Socialism in Germany. A fourth Reich perhaps? |
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Post by been_there on May 9, 2022 22:18:41 GMT
The judge apparently said Ursula “showed no insight into the criminal nature of her behaviour”. Well, if Nazi grandma Ursula persists in breaking the law then why suspend her sentence? Jeff, are you ok? You don’t seem very happy. Is that why you try to find pleasure in someone else’s unfair persecution and suffering? And in goading others? Plus I suggest it isn’t healthy to think that anyone who points out what they regard as errors in your viewpoint is claiming to be mindreading. Just saying... |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 10, 2022 0:13:56 GMT
Well, if Nazi grandma persists in breaking the law then why suspend her sentence? This mistreatment of an old lady will result in the rise of National Socialism in Germany. A fourth Reich perhaps? Gag, gross. Seriously, who wants a repeat of something that failed so spectacularly? |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 10, 2022 0:17:34 GMT
Well, if Nazi Granny persists in breaking the law then why suspend her sentence? Jeff, are you ok? You don’t seem very happy. Me? I’m actually having a good day. Finished a bunch of stuff at work, grabbed Chinese food for the family, sitting here checking up on what’s going on….. Oh, I deleted the rest. Just you usual attempt to tell me how I am feeling and attempts at mind reading. |
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Post by Ulios on May 10, 2022 1:01:10 GMT
Gag, gross. Seriously, who wants a repeat of something that failed so spectacularly? Did they? Friedrich mentioned that most Governments of the world today in Western democracies are in fact National Socialist aka centrist parties; it seems that mr Putin agrees which is why he is calling the Ukraine Nazis (including the US and UK). National Socialism has not failed, you are a part of this without realizing it. |
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Post by Turnagain on May 10, 2022 1:48:46 GMT
Jeff (numbers) wrote:
It took the combined industrial might of the British empire, the Soviet Union and the United States to defeat one rather small Central European country. Jeffy likes to pretend that National Socialism "failed" like the Soviet Union and the British empire failed. Suuuuure, Jeffy, National Socialism just kinda' fell apart with no outside influence. That's the ticket.
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Post by been_there on May 10, 2022 7:58:18 GMT
Jeff, are you ok? You don’t seem very happy. Me? I’m actually having a good day. Finished a bunch of stuff at work, grabbed Chinese food for the family, sitting here checking up on what’s going on….. Oh, I deleted the rest. Just you usual attempt to tell me how I am feeling and attempts at mind reading. Hmmm? This question isn’t “attempts at mind reading”: “Is that why you try to find pleasure in someone else’s unfair persecution and suffering? And in goading others?”
It is a genuine question. Someone who derives pleasure from someone else’s pain, probably has pain of their own.That ’ mind-reading’ avoidance is a wierd fall-back position to take. I see you recently used it on klowns: hereAnd I also saw how you dodged and goaded for many posts for a month to avoid a simple point from Goody67. [ link and here] You used the excuse that you were against racism. And yet you DO have your own prejudices that BOTH Goody and I unsuccessfully tried to get you to see. That is why I asked if you were ok!  [P.S. an off-topic comment of yours has been addressed here] |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 10, 2022 16:31:18 GMT
Gag, gross. Seriously, who wants a repeat of something that failed so spectacularly? Did they? Friedrich mentioned that most Governments of the world today in Western democracies are in fact National Socialist aka centrist parties; it seems that mr Putin agrees which is why he is calling the Ukraine Nazis (including the US and UK). National Socialism has not failed, you are a part of this without realizing it. Well, Putin is just trying to justify his insane invasion of a sovereign nation. I wouldn’t put too much stock in what he says. As for what ol’ Fritz said, that’s a serious reach considering that those countries allow multiple parties, free elections and aren’t sticking those who disagree with them in camps. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 10, 2022 16:44:04 GMT
Jeff (numbers) wrote: It took the combined industrial might of the British empire, the Soviet Union and the United States to defeat one rather small Central European country. Jeffy likes to pretend that National Socialism "failed" like the Soviet Union and the British empire failed. Suuuuure, Jeffy, National Socialism just kinda' fell apart with no outside influence. That's the ticket. You have this amazing ability to read something into my comments that I didn’t say. But as for the US, Great Britain and the USSR, it takes real savvy to pick fights with the three most heavily industrialized powers on the planet. What a smart fellow Hitler was. But, see, Turnagain, that was the seed of destruction built into National Socialism. Hitler wanted a vast European empire but in order to get it required the destruction or at least the neutralization of the largest European country (the USSR) plus the neutralization of the largest largest empire on earth (Great Britain) and the leading industrial power (the US). I’ll be fair and say Hitler actually accomplished a great deal but in the end it failed spectacularly because it was bound to do so. Germany lacked the means to carry out what Hitler wanted. BTW I’d like to point out that your whole post is off-topic, Turnagain. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 10, 2022 16:47:40 GMT
[quote author=" been_there" source="/post/7577/ [/quote] I seriously didn’t see anything relevant. Just the usual emotionally driven off-topic BS. |
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