Post by NorrisCrippen on Mar 28, 2022 21:23:07 GMT
Back in 2010, when Sergei Skripal, who was convicted of working for MI6, was being sent to the UK in a spy exchange, the sinister president of Russia Vladimir Putin made this threat on Russian TV -
"Traitors will kick the bucket. Trust me. These people betrayed their friends, their brothers in arms. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them."
Then fast forward to 2018 after the bungled attempt to murder Skripal, this is what an angry Putin said about him :
"He’s just a spy who betrayed his people. A national traitor, that’s who he is. He’s just scum.”
Thanks Vlad for that indirect admission of guilt, mate. I just don't understand why you even bothered to deny the charges during the aftermath of the events, cos everyone with one molecule of a brain cell knew you and your GRU mafia were guilty.
When trying to determine someone's guilt, it's always useful to look at any previous form they have , and unfortunately for Putin and his army of commy chemists, Russia's has been very active in this area:
abcnews.go.com/International/navalny-long-history-russian-poisonings/story?id=72579648
From the same article as above, the ex Russian Intelligence Officer , Boris Voldarsky who wrote on book on Russia's poisoning techniques, said :
"They must make the victim's death or illness appear natural or at least produce symptoms that will baffle doctors and forensic investigators. To this end the Kamera developed its defining specialty: combining known poisons into original and untraceable forms"
In addition to poisonings , Putin and his mafia have also been linked to the murders of many innocent people, mainly lawyers, journalists and critics or opponents. I listed some on a previous thread but I am now reproducing that list with some additions :
Alexander Litvinenko
Anna Politkovskaya
Natalia Estemirova
Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova
Boris Nemtsov
Boris Berezovsky
Paul Klebnikov
Sergei Yushenkov
Sergei Magnitsky
Yuri Shchekochikhin
Alexander Perepilichnyy
Scot Young
Johnny Elichaoff
Igor Ponomarev
Yuri Golubev
Vladimir Kara-Murza (survived two poisonings)
Victor Yushchenko (survived)
Pyotr Verzilov (survived)
Alexey Navalny (survived)
There's probably several more I have not listed.
Anyway, back to the hilarity that ensued in the aftermath of events regarding the pathetic interview of the 2 GRU suspects who tried to lie their way through the interview with the RT editor. Here is an excerpt from the Guardian's article headed "A Chain of Stupidity : The Skirpal case and the decline in Russia's spy agencies" www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru
So, the GRU f*** up and Putin has lied. This is the calibre of individual we are up against , a liar and a murderer . Slava Ukraine !
"Traitors will kick the bucket. Trust me. These people betrayed their friends, their brothers in arms. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them."
Then fast forward to 2018 after the bungled attempt to murder Skripal, this is what an angry Putin said about him :
"He’s just a spy who betrayed his people. A national traitor, that’s who he is. He’s just scum.”
Thanks Vlad for that indirect admission of guilt, mate. I just don't understand why you even bothered to deny the charges during the aftermath of the events, cos everyone with one molecule of a brain cell knew you and your GRU mafia were guilty.
When trying to determine someone's guilt, it's always useful to look at any previous form they have , and unfortunately for Putin and his army of commy chemists, Russia's has been very active in this area:
There were several famous poisoning episodes during the Cold War. Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian dissident died after a KGB agent pricked him with a ricin-tipped umbrella. In 1957, Nikolai Khokhlov, a KGB defector, came close to death after drinking a cup of coffee laced with an unknown type of thallium.
Poisonings have occurred under Putin almost since the start of his rule. In 2004, Viktor Yushchenko, a candidate who ran against a Kremlin-favored incumbent for Ukraine's presidency was poisoned with dioxin, leaving him disfigured.
The same year, the celebrated investigative journalist, Anna Politkovskaya fell suddenly ill and lost consciousness after drinking a cup of tea while flying to the Russian city of Beslan during the school siege there. She survived, but was shot dead two years later, on Putin’s birthday. The suspected poisoning of Russia's best-known opposition leader Alexey Navalny is the latest to happen to a long line of Kremlin opponents.
Poisonings have occurred under Putin almost since the start of his rule. In 2004, Viktor Yushchenko, a candidate who ran against a Kremlin-favored incumbent for Ukraine's presidency was poisoned with dioxin, leaving him disfigured.
The same year, the celebrated investigative journalist, Anna Politkovskaya fell suddenly ill and lost consciousness after drinking a cup of tea while flying to the Russian city of Beslan during the school siege there. She survived, but was shot dead two years later, on Putin’s birthday. The suspected poisoning of Russia's best-known opposition leader Alexey Navalny is the latest to happen to a long line of Kremlin opponents.
From the same article as above, the ex Russian Intelligence Officer , Boris Voldarsky who wrote on book on Russia's poisoning techniques, said :
"They must make the victim's death or illness appear natural or at least produce symptoms that will baffle doctors and forensic investigators. To this end the Kamera developed its defining specialty: combining known poisons into original and untraceable forms"
In addition to poisonings , Putin and his mafia have also been linked to the murders of many innocent people, mainly lawyers, journalists and critics or opponents. I listed some on a previous thread but I am now reproducing that list with some additions :
Alexander Litvinenko
Anna Politkovskaya
Natalia Estemirova
Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova
Boris Nemtsov
Boris Berezovsky
Paul Klebnikov
Sergei Yushenkov
Sergei Magnitsky
Yuri Shchekochikhin
Alexander Perepilichnyy
Scot Young
Johnny Elichaoff
Igor Ponomarev
Yuri Golubev
Vladimir Kara-Murza (survived two poisonings)
Victor Yushchenko (survived)
Pyotr Verzilov (survived)
Alexey Navalny (survived)
There's probably several more I have not listed.
Anyway, back to the hilarity that ensued in the aftermath of events regarding the pathetic interview of the 2 GRU suspects who tried to lie their way through the interview with the RT editor. Here is an excerpt from the Guardian's article headed "A Chain of Stupidity : The Skirpal case and the decline in Russia's spy agencies" www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru
Chepiga and Mishkin’s world began to unravel even before Bellingcat outed them in parliament. Their photos – as Petrov and Boshirov – had been sprayed all over the place. This presented a dilemma for the GRU. One option was to hide the pair away for ever. Another was to instruct them to give a media interview.
Someone inside the Russian state decided to try this model. It may have been Putin, who used a conference in Vladivostok to urge them to come forward. Chepiga and Mishkin agreed (or, more probably, were told) to speak to RT’s editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan. Simonyan was a trusted person and Russian media star – a leading apparatchik who sat on top of a global propaganda empire. Putin had given her an award for “objectivity” for RT’s coverage of Crimea. What could possibly go wrong?
As it turned out, everything. Chepiga and Mishkin’s joint interview on RT was a disaster. It was an unintentionally comic performance that made them and the GRU a laughing stock, not only among English-speaking countries, but across Russia, too. They were professional spies, and so lacked media experience.
They appeared nervous, shifty, under pressure, timorous, idiotic and craven. Unlike Putin – a grand master when it came to deceit – they were lousy liars. The pair insisted that they were not GRU officers, and that their real names were indeed Petrov and Boshirov. As for the curious events of Salisbury – well, these might be explained:
Simonyan: What were you doing there?
Petrov: Our friends have been suggesting for quite a long time that we visited this wonderful city.
Simonyan: Salisbury? A wonderful city?
Petrov: Yes.
Simonyan: What makes it so wonderful?
Boshirov: It’s a tourist city. They have a famous cathedral there, Salisbury Cathedral. It’s famous throughout Europe and, in fact, throughout the world, I think. It’s famous for its 123-metre spire, it’s famous for its clock. It’s one of the oldest working clocks in the world.
Chepiga/Boshirov’s knowledge of Salisbury seems to have been gleaned from a cursory reading of Russian Wikipedia. The cathedral spire is impressive – built in the 13th and 14th centuries, the tallest in Britain, octagonal, with flying buttresses and scissor arches, and praised by Sir Christopher Wren and Malcolm Muggeridge as a marvel. Still, it seemed unlikely this spire had drawn the two spies all the way from Moscow. How also to explain the fact that the Russians visited Salisbury twice?
Chepiga/Boshirov’s answer: there was heavy snowfall the weekend they arrived, which played havoc with transport connections and made them “wet”. So drenched, actually, that the pair said they were forced to abandon their sightseeing on day one, Saturday, and take refuge in the train station coffee shop. And to buy new dry shoes on London’s Oxford Street.
The pair said they came back the next day and admired the “beautiful English Gothic buildings”. Again they were compelled to return to London from Salisbury because of “heavy sleet”. Maybe they passed the Skripals’ house, maybe they didn’t, Chepiga/Boshirov said. He added: “I’d never heard of them before this nightmare started.” (Crippen's note - ctv proved there was no 'heavy sleet ' a claim made even more ridiculous considering they are both Russian and therefore should be used to snow/sleet)
As the interview goes forward, two things are evident. First, that Simonyan finds it hard not to snigga at the spies’ all-round uselessness and discomfort, especially when she asks why two grown men would share a room together. And second, that the GRU soldiers express zero sympathy for their victim. They are concerned for themselves:
And with that, the heroes of Russia vanish. They are not seen again.
Moscow officials did their best to fight back against these embarrassing revelations. They used familiar tactics – disdain, innuendo and ludicrous counter-claims. Beginning in October 2018, they purged Petrov, Boshirov and other officers from their internal systems.
The Russian envoy in London, Alexander Yakovenko, accused Britain’s spy agencies of poisoning the Skripals and then kidnapping them. He summoned the media to his Kensington embassy and expounded his theory in lengthy press conferences. The ambassador described Bellingcat as a branch of the “deep establishment” – a phrase that echoed Donald Trump’s attacks on the FBI. (This claim was based on a “feeling,” Yakovenko said.
Russia’s strategy was to paint Bellingcat as stooges and spies working for MI6. This was an old Soviet trope, deployed by the modern Kremlin against opposition critics at home. The geeks of Bellingcat weren’t secret operatives. Their methods were open. They were collaborative. And quick.
Someone inside the Russian state decided to try this model. It may have been Putin, who used a conference in Vladivostok to urge them to come forward. Chepiga and Mishkin agreed (or, more probably, were told) to speak to RT’s editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan. Simonyan was a trusted person and Russian media star – a leading apparatchik who sat on top of a global propaganda empire. Putin had given her an award for “objectivity” for RT’s coverage of Crimea. What could possibly go wrong?
As it turned out, everything. Chepiga and Mishkin’s joint interview on RT was a disaster. It was an unintentionally comic performance that made them and the GRU a laughing stock, not only among English-speaking countries, but across Russia, too. They were professional spies, and so lacked media experience.
They appeared nervous, shifty, under pressure, timorous, idiotic and craven. Unlike Putin – a grand master when it came to deceit – they were lousy liars. The pair insisted that they were not GRU officers, and that their real names were indeed Petrov and Boshirov. As for the curious events of Salisbury – well, these might be explained:
Simonyan: What were you doing there?
Petrov: Our friends have been suggesting for quite a long time that we visited this wonderful city.
Simonyan: Salisbury? A wonderful city?
Petrov: Yes.
Simonyan: What makes it so wonderful?
Boshirov: It’s a tourist city. They have a famous cathedral there, Salisbury Cathedral. It’s famous throughout Europe and, in fact, throughout the world, I think. It’s famous for its 123-metre spire, it’s famous for its clock. It’s one of the oldest working clocks in the world.
Chepiga/Boshirov’s knowledge of Salisbury seems to have been gleaned from a cursory reading of Russian Wikipedia. The cathedral spire is impressive – built in the 13th and 14th centuries, the tallest in Britain, octagonal, with flying buttresses and scissor arches, and praised by Sir Christopher Wren and Malcolm Muggeridge as a marvel. Still, it seemed unlikely this spire had drawn the two spies all the way from Moscow. How also to explain the fact that the Russians visited Salisbury twice?
Chepiga/Boshirov’s answer: there was heavy snowfall the weekend they arrived, which played havoc with transport connections and made them “wet”. So drenched, actually, that the pair said they were forced to abandon their sightseeing on day one, Saturday, and take refuge in the train station coffee shop. And to buy new dry shoes on London’s Oxford Street.
The pair said they came back the next day and admired the “beautiful English Gothic buildings”. Again they were compelled to return to London from Salisbury because of “heavy sleet”. Maybe they passed the Skripals’ house, maybe they didn’t, Chepiga/Boshirov said. He added: “I’d never heard of them before this nightmare started.” (Crippen's note - ctv proved there was no 'heavy sleet ' a claim made even more ridiculous considering they are both Russian and therefore should be used to snow/sleet)
As the interview goes forward, two things are evident. First, that Simonyan finds it hard not to snigga at the spies’ all-round uselessness and discomfort, especially when she asks why two grown men would share a room together. And second, that the GRU soldiers express zero sympathy for their victim. They are concerned for themselves:
And with that, the heroes of Russia vanish. They are not seen again.
Moscow officials did their best to fight back against these embarrassing revelations. They used familiar tactics – disdain, innuendo and ludicrous counter-claims. Beginning in October 2018, they purged Petrov, Boshirov and other officers from their internal systems.
The Russian envoy in London, Alexander Yakovenko, accused Britain’s spy agencies of poisoning the Skripals and then kidnapping them. He summoned the media to his Kensington embassy and expounded his theory in lengthy press conferences. The ambassador described Bellingcat as a branch of the “deep establishment” – a phrase that echoed Donald Trump’s attacks on the FBI. (This claim was based on a “feeling,” Yakovenko said.
Russia’s strategy was to paint Bellingcat as stooges and spies working for MI6. This was an old Soviet trope, deployed by the modern Kremlin against opposition critics at home. The geeks of Bellingcat weren’t secret operatives. Their methods were open. They were collaborative. And quick.
So, the GRU f*** up and Putin has lied. This is the calibre of individual we are up against , a liar and a murderer . Slava Ukraine !
