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Post by Nessie on Mar 24, 2022 20:13:43 GMT
Korherr reported the Jewish population of the eastern territories dropped from 790,000 in 1939 to 233,210 at the end of 1942. If the camps were being filled, that population would go up, not down.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Mar 24, 2022 20:40:59 GMT
Korherr reported the Jewish population of the eastern territories dropped from 790,000 in 1939 to 233,210 at the end of 1942. If the camps were being filled, that population would go up, not down. The camps were there and not empty, that is a fact that must be accepted; However Korherr did say this: Excess mortality as calculated by Ulios is counted as departure. Ulios from memory calculated 1.9 million as a mortality figure; there being no births to replace the natural attrition. Korherr said: (strange there is a scarcity of births at a time when the world Jewish population is apparantly sky rocketing according to the JLC) The camp system, a part of this discourse is also into Russian Territory not just Belarus. The Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO) was established by Nazi Germany in 1941 during World War II. It became the civilian occupation regime in the western part of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. The Eastern Part is where Korherr claims the people were evacuated to, as well as parts of occupied Russia for a brief period, this was not Reich territory but occupied land. 
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Post by Nessie on Mar 25, 2022 8:53:05 GMT
What was the Jewish population of the camps in Belarus at the end of 1943?
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Post by Ulios on Mar 25, 2022 9:41:47 GMT
What was the Jewish population of the camps in Belarus at the end of 1943? instead of asking baseless questions, please assist by putting some acumen into the issue. I think it was mentioned this was work in progress by Nazgul. It is not Belarus Ostland that is the issue if you read the information, it is Eastern Belarus and the Russian territory which is of interest; these were not territories of the Reich and so the Korherr statistics as you mentioned do not apply. This is indeed the Russian East. White Russian east provinces.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 25, 2022 9:44:35 GMT
What was the Jewish population of the camps in Belarus at the end of 1943? instead of asking baseless questions, please assist by putting some acumen into the issue. I think it was mentioned this was work in progress by Nazgul. It is not Belarus Ostland that is the issue if you read the information, it is Eastern Belarus and the Russian territory which is of interest; these were not territories of the Reich and so the Korherr statistics as you mentioned do not apply. This is indeed the Russian East. White Russian east provinces. OK, so what Nazi camps were there and what was the Jewish population of those camps at the end of 1943?
That is not a baseless question, unless you can prove the Nazis had been transporting millions not gassed to such camps, you have no case.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 25, 2022 9:56:10 GMT
The Mogilev ghetto and area as reported by the Einsatzgruppen at the end of October 1941; www.holocaustresearchproject.org/nazioccupation/mogilev.html"Mogilev can be considered practically free of Jews after the last operations. The area of the ghetto built in Mogilev by Einsatzkommando 8 could, for the main part, be returned to the city administration. The few remaining Jews are accommodated in a forced labor camp and are ready to be used as skilled artisans."
The camps and ghettos of Belarus were short lived and many well gone even by the end of 1941.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 25, 2022 10:26:22 GMT
instead of asking baseless questions, please assist by putting some acumen into the issue. I think it was mentioned this was work in progress by Nazgul. It is not Belarus Ostland that is the issue if you read the information, it is Eastern Belarus and the Russian territory which is of interest; these were not territories of the Reich and so the Korherr statistics as you mentioned do not apply. This is indeed the Russian East. White Russian east provinces. OK, so what Nazi camps were there and what was the Jewish population of those camps at the end of 1943?
That is not a baseless question, unless you can prove the Nazis had been transporting millions not gassed to such camps, you have no case.
See first post
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Post by Ulios on Mar 25, 2022 10:33:37 GMT
That is not a baseless question, unless you can prove the Nazis had been transporting millions not gassed to such camps, you have no case. I do not think Nazgul has stated he has a case; he has mentioned the past reality of hundreds of judenlagers within the Eastern part of Belarus outside the territory, otherwise known as East White Russia aka Russian East. Unless the Germans are totally psychotic on too much meth which they invented, as they did "Fanta" they did not build camps to be empty. It was clearly mentioned the the JUST that Jews from the Reich and other parts of Europe were sent to Belarus; it was not specified if this was West or Eastern Belarus. As Korherr mentioned the "Russian East" it can be assumed the camps were in the Eastern Belarus and Soviet occupied territory for that brief period. The Russian East is the White Russian East aka Eastern Belarus. It is this area that is not the focus of deep attention, not the mindless waffling on gassed people; if jews were gassed as claimed then so be it, there were also a huge number of jews in the Russian East.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Mar 25, 2022 10:39:18 GMT
unless you can prove the Nazis had been transporting millions not gassed to such camps, you have no case. V Makei and the US dept of Justice provided evidence that Jews were transported from Europe to these camps; this was mentioned though clearly not cognitized by yourself. This is an attempt to divert the topic of relocated jews to Belarus back to the AR camps for which there is no connection.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Mar 25, 2022 11:02:18 GMT
Korherr reported the Jewish population of the eastern territories dropped from 790,000 in 1939 to 233,210 at the end of 1942. If the camps were being filled, that population would go up, not down. Eastern Belarus and Occupied Russia are not part of the "eastern territories" but merely occupied land' ; Byelarus means white Russian, so the eastern part of this country is the Russian East.
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