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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 14:59:04 GMT
A reason why Mattogno, Graf or Kues have no academic credibility is because they spend all their time trying to argue what did not happen and then fail to even evidence what did happen. Thats a terrible and stupid criticism to make. Why? |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 30, 2022 15:09:53 GMT
No, you give excuses for the lies of the alleged witnesses and call it "evidence". I DO have evidence that Jews left Treblinka, sometimes in trainloads of men, women and children. That is what is known as a "fact", Nessie with no need for such bullshit excuses as "exaggeration" or "emotive language".
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 15:15:02 GMT
Thats a terrible and stupid criticism to make. Why? Because there's no need to make the case for every aspect of a wide subject. When we talk about physical matters in science, we dont then also finish the grand theory. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 15:17:17 GMT
No, you give excuses for the lies of the alleged witnesses and call it "evidence". I DO have evidence that Jews left Treblinka, sometimes in trainloads of men, women and children. That is what is known as a "fact", Nessie with no need for such bullshit excuses as "exaggeration" or "emotive language". I know you have evidence that Jews left TII, it is the same evidence that is used to prove the selections process that was reported at other death camps, whereby those not needed were sent to be gassed.
You lie by omission that those people amount to at most 2% of everyone who arrived at the camp.
You lie by omission that you have no evidence of a transit camp process inside TII.
You lie by omission that you cannot evidence regular mass transports back out of TII.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
Because there's no need to make the case for every aspect of a wide subject. When we talk about physical matters in science, we dont then also finish the grand theory. Deniers spend all their time arguing what did not happen, rather than evidence and prove what did happen. No historian does that. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 15:20:57 GMT
Because there's no need to make the case for every aspect of a wide subject. When we talk about physical matters in science, we dont then also finish the grand theory. Deniers spend all their time arguing what did not happen, rather than evidence and prove what did happen. No historian does that. So what? Thats entirely reasonable. Deniers stick to the evidence that we have and examine it. Going further than that is unsound. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 15:25:33 GMT
Deniers spend all their time arguing what did not happen, rather than evidence and prove what did happen. No historian does that. So what? Thats entirely reasonable. Deniers stick to the evidence that we have and examine it. Going further than that is unsound. According to you, the study of history is the study of what did not happen. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 15:28:18 GMT
So what? Thats entirely reasonable. Deniers stick to the evidence that we have and examine it. Going further than that is unsound. According to you, the study of history is the study of what did not happen. Of course it is, especially when you dont have all the answers. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 15:39:15 GMT
According to you, the study of history is the study of what did not happen. Of course it is, especially when you dont have all the answers. Name a historical event when historians all spend their time on what did happen and do not bother to find out what did happen. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 16:00:29 GMT
Of course it is, especially when you dont have all the answers. Name a historical event when historians all spend their time on what did happen and do not bother to find out what did happen. The Resurrection. The witch trials. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 16:11:28 GMT
Name a historical event when historians all spend their time on what did happen and do not bother to find out what did happen. The Resurrection. The witch trials. Are you seriously claiming that we do not know what did happen at the witch trials? Like, how many took place, the verdicts, what happened to the women, why they took place? Are you genuine that historians have not looked at what happened to those people? |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 16:14:52 GMT
The Resurrection. The witch trials. Are you seriously claiming that we do not know what did happen at the witch trials? Like, how many took place, the verdicts, what happened to the women, why they took place? Are you genuine that historians have not looked at what happened to those people? Neither the resurrection nor the witch trials saw historians just accepting witch magic or life after death, instead they examined carefully what is said to have occurred and what could have occurred, plus all the events surrounding executions and all. Nor did they go on to give a final explanation about the true identity of Jesus ie is he the son of god or not. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 16:19:03 GMT
Are you seriously claiming that we do not know what did happen at the witch trials? Like, how many took place, the verdicts, what happened to the women, why they took place? Are you genuine that historians have not looked at what happened to those people? Neither the resurrection nor the witch trials saw historians just accepting witch magic or life after death, instead they examined carefully what is said to have occurred and what could have occurred, plus all the events surrounding executions and all. Nor did they go on to give a final explanation about the true identity of Jesus ie is he the son of god or not. They are both examples where historians looked to find out what happened. I asked you to give me an example of where, like denial, ONLY what did not happen is studied. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 30, 2022 16:48:50 GMT
Neither the resurrection nor the witch trials saw historians just accepting witch magic or life after death, instead they examined carefully what is said to have occurred and what could have occurred, plus all the events surrounding executions and all. Nor did they go on to give a final explanation about the true identity of Jesus ie is he the son of god or not. They are both examples where historians looked to find out what happened. I asked you to give me an example of where, like denial, ONLY what did not happen is studied. Thats not what denial is about. Denial is about finding out exactly what happened. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 30, 2022 18:15:05 GMT
They are both examples where historians looked to find out what happened. I asked you to give me an example of where, like denial, ONLY what did not happen is studied. Thats not what denial is about. Denial is about finding out exactly what happened. Rubbish. The vast majority of denial books are about why deniers do not believe the evidence for mass gassings, graves and cremations and their claims they did not happen. |
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