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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 28, 2022 11:19:48 GMT
Yes, and who these 34, 313 Dutch jews? Where did they live? What age were they? What were their names? Details can be found on the Westerbork camp archives and at USHMM. For example;
Describe the process they went through inside Sobibor and where they went. Show any evidence you have to back up your claims.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 28, 2022 11:27:27 GMT
Details can be found on the Westerbork camp archives and at USHMM. For example;
Describe the process they went through inside Sobibor and where they went. Show any evidence you have to back up your claims.
Ok so give an example. Dutch archive with full list here;
You need to click on various links, but the full list of names etc is there, in Dutch. What happened to Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884 when she was sent to Sobibor? Describe the process and where she went to from Sobibor showing any evidence you have to back up your claims.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 28, 2022 11:36:19 GMT
Dutch archive with full list here;
You need to click on various links, but the full list of names etc is there, in Dutch. What happened to Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884 when she was sent to Sobibor? Describe the process and where she went to from Sobibor showing any evidence you have to back up your claims.
Elissar Anandgat probably died of starvation or typhus in the east or married an eastern european jew given that Sobibor wasnt used for exterminating jews based on the detailed exams done on this camp including digging and finding bodies. Plus of course the fact that Nazis cared for jews in their charge. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 28, 2022 11:56:03 GMT
Dutch archive with full list here;
You need to click on various links, but the full list of names etc is there, in Dutch. What happened to Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884 when she was sent to Sobibor? Describe the process and where she went to from Sobibor showing any evidence you have to back up your claims.
Elissar Anandgat probably died of starvation or typhus in the east or married an eastern european jew given that Sobibor wasnt used for exterminating jews based on the detailed exams done on this camp including digging and finding bodies. Plus of course the fact that Nazis cared for jews in their charge. Since you have no evidence, your allegation is rejected as unevidenced. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 28, 2022 16:12:34 GMT
This topic is about where did they go? Unless there is evidence Aandgat left Sobibor and where she went, mrolonzo has nothing else to contribute/
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 28, 2022 19:42:23 GMT
Elissar Anandgat probably died of starvation or typhus in the east or married an eastern european jew given that Sobibor wasnt used for exterminating jews based on the detailed exams done on this camp including digging and finding bodies. Plus of course the fact that Nazis cared for jews in their charge. Since you have no evidence, your allegation is rejected as unevidenced. I do have evidence for one of her possible fates; revisionist analysis vs exterminationist evidence, using arguments from credulity, logic and science. Other fates such as her last address I dont have evidence for. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 29, 2022 10:38:49 GMT
Since you have no evidence, your allegation is rejected as unevidenced. I do have evidence for one of her possible fates; revisionist analysis vs exterminationist evidence, using arguments from credulity, logic and science. Other fates such as her last address I dont have evidence for. Show me the evidence of her possible fate at Sobibor. Not analysis, evidence. Show me evidence. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 29, 2022 11:37:13 GMT
I do have evidence for one of her possible fates; revisionist analysis vs exterminationist evidence, using arguments from credulity, logic and science. Other fates such as her last address I dont have evidence for. Show me the evidence of her possible fate at Sobibor. Not analysis, evidence. Show me evidence. The evidence is that her body has never been found at Sobibor. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 29, 2022 12:55:14 GMT
Show me the evidence of her possible fate at Sobibor. Not analysis, evidence. Show me evidence. The evidence is that her body has never been found at Sobibor. That is a lack of evidence. There are two causes for that lack of evidence. One is she was gassed and cremated, so her body cannot be identified, which was the reason why the Nazis started to cremate bodies, or she left the camp.
There is no evidence she left the camp, was registered at any other camp, she did not return to the Netherlands after the war to reclaim her property and she had never claimed compensation.
That means she was gassed and cremated.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 29, 2022 14:10:27 GMT
The evidence is that her body has never been found at Sobibor. That is a lack of evidence. There are two causes for that lack of evidence. One is she was gassed and cremated, so her body cannot be identified, which was the reason why the Nazis started to cremate bodies, or she left the camp.
There is no evidence she left the camp, was registered at any other camp, she did not return to the Netherlands after the war to reclaim her property and she had never claimed compensation.
That means she was gassed and cremated.
Or she fell off and died pre or post camp somewhere, or changed her name. She cannot have been gassed at the camp because nazis didnt do that kind of thing, they cared for jews in their care. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 29, 2022 14:38:56 GMT
That is a lack of evidence. There are two causes for that lack of evidence. One is she was gassed and cremated, so her body cannot be identified, which was the reason why the Nazis started to cremate bodies, or she left the camp.
There is no evidence she left the camp, was registered at any other camp, she did not return to the Netherlands after the war to reclaim her property and she had never claimed compensation.
That means she was gassed and cremated.
Or she fell off and died pre or post camp somewhere, or changed her name. She cannot have been gassed at the camp because nazis didnt do that kind of thing, they cared for jews in their care. The documentary trail starts with her registration as Jewish in the Netherlands, being sent to Westerbork and then to Sobibor. That is where the documentary trail ends. What happened to her inside Sobibor? |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 29, 2022 15:09:13 GMT
Or she fell off and died pre or post camp somewhere, or changed her name. She cannot have been gassed at the camp because nazis didnt do that kind of thing, they cared for jews in their care. The documentary trail starts with her registration as Jewish in the Netherlands, being sent to Westerbork and then to Sobibor. That is where the documentary trail ends. What happened to her inside Sobibor? No murder if thats what you mean. As I said, the nazis had absolutely no interest in murdering jews. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 29, 2022 15:20:01 GMT
The documentary trail starts with her registration as Jewish in the Netherlands, being sent to Westerbork and then to Sobibor. That is where the documentary trail ends. What happened to her inside Sobibor? No murder if thats what you mean. As I said, the nazis had absolutely no interest in murdering jews. OK, so the Nazis recorded Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884, being sent from Westerbork to Sobibor on the 27th May 1943. Why did the Nazis stop recording her movements and location after that?
Please describe exactly what happened to her inside Sobibor.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 29, 2022 17:39:11 GMT
No murder if thats what you mean. As I said, the nazis had absolutely no interest in murdering jews. OK, so the Nazis recorded Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884, being sent from Westerbork to Sobibor on the 27th May 1943. Why did the Nazis stop recording her movements and location after that?
Please describe exactly what happened to her inside Sobibor.
Probably because the administration situation changes further east. Given that she's not being murdered, likely de lousing, a shower, food, water, impose a tax on leaving, that sort of thing. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 29, 2022 19:00:25 GMT
OK, so the Nazis recorded Elissar Aandgat, born 12/10/1884, being sent from Westerbork to Sobibor on the 27th May 1943. Why did the Nazis stop recording her movements and location after that?
Please describe exactly what happened to her inside Sobibor.
Probably because the administration situation changes further east. Given that she's not being murdered, likely de lousing, a shower, food, water, impose a tax on leaving, that sort of thing. Now you have finally said what yo think happened to her inside Sobibor, can you show me any evidence for that process? |
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