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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Apr 16, 2022 7:51:20 GMT
Nessie wrote: Giddoutahere with your "other evidence". There's no evidence of the graves described by the eyewitnesses actually existing. Nessie uses his "disturbed ground" and CS-C's unproven claims as "evidence". Nobody is "hand waving" away any evidence. The claim that 2-3,000 cadavers were piled onto a 1X30 meter grate constructed from concrete pylons and railroad rails to be cremated to ash as fine as cigarette ash is a ludicrous lie. What we actually have is a broad application of Nessie's, "It happened therefore it was possible" theory. IOW, all witness lies are excused. OK, so where did they go? Start with the Warsaw Jews sent by the shuttle train to TII in 1942, the train you accept returned to Warsaw empty. Where did those c267,000 Jews go?
Show your evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 8:13:30 GMT
Nessie is back to whining, "Where did they goooooo?" when he knows that the records of trains leaving Treblinka carrying passengers have been either destroyed or lost.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Apr 16, 2022 8:53:39 GMT
Nessie is back to whining, "Where did they goooooo?" when he knows that the records of trains leaving Treblinka carrying passengers have been either destroyed or lost. What happened to the Warsaw Jews sent to TII in 1942, where the record clearly states the trains returned empty? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 9:59:58 GMT
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(sigh) Yes, the trains on shuttle service returned to Warsaw empty. Are you going to start your bullshit about 30% of an unknown number of trains? How do you know the total number of trains that left Treblinka? Trains DID leave Treblinka with passengers but there's no records of those trains so how do you know how many trains left Treblinka with passengers? Are we supposed to take Zabecki's word that only empty trains and goods trains left Treblinka?
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Apr 16, 2022 10:03:43 GMT
Nessie wrote: (sigh) Yes, the trains on shuttle service returned to Warsaw empty. Are you going to start your bullshit about 30% of an unknown number of trains? How do you know the total number of trains that left Treblinka? Trains DID leave Treblinka with passengers but there's no records of those trains so how do you know how many trains left Treblinka with passengers? Are we supposed to take Zabecki's word that only empty trains and goods trains left Treblinka? Where did the c267,000 Warsaw Jews, sent to TII in 1942, on trains that left the camp empty to go back to Warsaw, go? |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 11:47:11 GMT
Nessie wrote:
How do you KNOW that they didn't leave on alternate trains? Tell us how you know how many trains left Treblinka carrying passengers. Be specific.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Apr 16, 2022 12:08:24 GMT
Nessie wrote: How do you KNOW that they didn't leave on alternate trains? Tell us how you know how many trains left Treblinka carrying passengers. Be specific. I know because there is no evidence of hundreds of empty trains arriving at TII to take the c267,000 Warsaw Jews away and there is no evidence of their arrival anywhere else, in 1942. That number of trains arriving would leave evidence if it happened, evidence from those working inside TII, those put on the trains, documents and the physical places such a large number of people need for accommodation.
You are claiming they left on alternate trains. Show me your evidence for that. Be specific. Failure to answer will be taken as an admission there is no evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 20:10:55 GMT
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IOW, the records of trains entering and leaving Treblinka EXCEPT FOR THE TRAINS ASSIGNED TO SHUTTLE SERVICE, no longer exist. Your claim that there's no evidence of trains entering and leaving Treblinka with passengers is obvious bullshit. From corroborated witness testimony it's KNOWN that trains DID leave Treblinka with passengers aboard. Your claim of "no evidence" is specious claptrap.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Apr 17, 2022 8:08:21 GMT
Nessie wrote: IOW, the records of trains entering and leaving Treblinka EXCEPT FOR THE TRAINS ASSIGNED TO SHUTTLE SERVICE, no longer exist. Your claim that there's no evidence of trains entering and leaving Treblinka with passengers is obvious bullshit. From corroborated witness testimony it's KNOWN that trains DID leave Treblinka with passengers aboard. Your claim of "no evidence" is specious claptrap.
Where did the c267,000 Warsaw Jews, who arrived in 1942 on trains that left empty, go?
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 17, 2022 8:12:35 GMT
Nessie wrote: IOW, the records of trains entering and leaving Treblinka EXCEPT FOR THE TRAINS ASSIGNED TO SHUTTLE SERVICE, no longer exist. Your claim that there's no evidence of trains entering and leaving Treblinka with passengers is obvious bullshit. From corroborated witness testimony it's KNOWN that trains DID leave Treblinka with passengers aboard. Your claim of "no evidence" is specious claptrap. Where did the c267,000 Warsaw Jews, who arrived in 1942 on trains that left empty, go?
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Jun 16, 2023 11:15:43 GMT
On topic, where did they go?
That question is asked to make revisionists think more about what they are alleging. Revisionism is based on arguing that mass gassings did not kill millions, because the evidence for mass gassing is too weak and unbelievable. Putting aside that most revisionists do not have a very detailed knowledge of the evidence for gassings, what the "where did the go?" question does is show revisionists that they cannot evidence what did happen instead. They allege millions of Jews not gassed, were accommodated till their liberation at the end of the war. That would obviously leave evidence if it happened, but there is no evidence. Revisionists point to evidence of lots of camps, but then do no research to prove those camps were still open and full of Jews in 1945. They ignore the evidence that all the ghettos had closed down by the autumn of 1944, with most closing in 1943. That would mean lots of camps packed full of millions of Jews to be liberated by the Allies. Instead, the Soviets found only a few thousand here and there, and in the west, the largest liberation was at Bergen-Belsen, of c60,000 people, not all of whom were Jewish.
Revisionists do not want to look in any detail at what happened to the Jews, as it challenges their belief they were no being mass gassed. When some have, such as Eric Hunt, Thomas Kues and BRoI, they have dropped out of revisionism. Hunt admitted he was wrong, there was mass gassings.
A certain revisionist claims it is wrong to even asked the question, which means we are left with a history we do not know. History is about finding out what happened, and if something is claimed and evidenced not to have happened, then it is normal to find out what did happen. When a certain revisionist is asked to evidence what happened, using contemporaneous witness and documents, along with archaeological and circumstantial evidence, he cannot. So we ended up with a discussion about hoaxes, where he claimed because Katyn was a hoax, so can the mass gassings be hoaxed. That ignores the Katyn hoax failed, it was about one incident in one location and crucially, we know what happened, due to the evidence. The Nazis and historians did not investigate Katyn to establish what did not happen, they did so to establish what did happen.
Revisionists need to be able to evidence what did happen, using evidence, not argument and they cannot. That logically means their doubts about the evidence for gassings are wrong.
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