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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 4, 2022 18:43:04 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie knows that all train schedules except for the trains on dedicated shuttle service have been destroyed or hidden. Knowing full well that no such records exist he feels that he has carte blanche to demand those nonexistent schedules. He dismisses the fact that trains carrying Jews DID leave Treblinka sometimes by the trainload and no record of them exists with his, "They were just selected for work". Why a record of their departure doesn't exist is also dismissed. The trains that left with no one aboard, are, not surprisingly, evidenced by documents. The trains that left with people aboard, are, not surprisingly, evidenced by witnesses. There is also evidence of documents at Majdanek for transports with people. There is also witness evidence from local Poles, of the empty trains leaving. Your mystery trains full of people going to an unknown destination are not evidenced by either, which is not surprising, since there were not hundreds of different trains queueing up to take c860,000 people away from TII. It remains possible that such trains full of people did exist no?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 4, 2022 18:48:34 GMT
The trains that left with no one aboard, are, not surprisingly, evidenced by documents. The trains that left with people aboard, are, not surprisingly, evidenced by witnesses. There is also evidence of documents at Majdanek for transports with people. There is also witness evidence from local Poles, of the empty trains leaving. Your mystery trains full of people going to an unknown destination are not evidenced by either, which is not surprising, since there were not hundreds of different trains queueing up to take c860,000 people away from TII. It remains possible that such trains full of people did exist no? No. It is physically impossible for so many trains to have arrived at the AR camps to transport around 1.6 million people to other places, without leaving any evidence of it happening, from any documents, witnesses or other evidence.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 4, 2022 18:57:15 GMT
It remains possible that such trains full of people did exist no? No. It is physically impossible for so many trains to have arrived at the AR camps to transport around 1.6 million people to other places, without leaving any evidence of it happening, from any documents, witnesses or other evidence. Why?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 4, 2022 19:05:07 GMT
No. It is physically impossible for so many trains to have arrived at the AR camps to transport around 1.6 million people to other places, without leaving any evidence of it happening, from any documents, witnesses or other evidence. Why? To move that number of people would need a massive amount of organisation and resources. The movement of that number of people to the AR is well evidenced by documents, witnesses and other evidence.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 4, 2022 19:08:29 GMT
To move that number of people would need a massive amount of organisation and resources. The movement of that number of people to the AR is well evidenced by documents, witnesses and other evidence. Resources that were already in place. By the way what was that post above about? rodoh.info/post/6180 Did you get tired of discourse?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 4, 2022 19:17:25 GMT
To move that number of people would need a massive amount of organisation and resources. The movement of that number of people to the AR is well evidenced by documents, witnesses and other evidence. Resources that were already in place. By the way what was that post above about? rodoh.info/post/6180 Did you get tired of discourse?
Show me the evidence of regular mass transports back out of the AR camps and where they went.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 4, 2022 19:27:59 GMT
Resources that were already in place. By the way what was that post above about? rodoh.info/post/6180 Did you get tired of discourse?
Show me the evidence of regular mass transports back out of the AR camps and where they went.
Show me the evidence they could have been gassed as described with CO in the time alotted and their remains destroyed.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 4, 2022 19:46:37 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Trains that left empty for shuttle service have documents, timetables and train schedules. Trains that left empty or loaded have only the testimony of the people who were in the trains carrying passengers. There is one (1) document at Majdanek that confirms that 351 (451, whatever) arrived at Majdanek that fits the claim of a witness. There is a document at USHMM that confirms that witnesses did leave Treblinka alive. If train schedules existed for trains outbound from Treblinka we would know how many of those trains carried passengers. Those records have been destroyed/hidden so Nessie can and does use that to support his, "They were just selected for work" mantra. Without the train schedules there's no way of knowing how many Jews sent to Treblinka were transferred to other sites. Nessie exploits that lack of records to whine, "Where did they gooooo?". Let's see your list of witnesses besides Zabecki who claim that the trains left empty.
Nessie then claims that local Poles say that trains left Treblinka empty. So name some of those people and post a link to their testimony. Yes, we know that you claim Zabecki and the drunken engineer as impeccable sources but who else specifically says that all or most trains left Treblinka empty?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 8:32:57 GMT
Nessie wrote: Trains that left empty for shuttle service have documents, timetables and train schedules. Trains that left empty or loaded have only the testimony of the people who were in the trains carrying passengers. There is one (1) document at Majdanek that confirms that 351 (451, whatever) arrived at Majdanek that fits the claim of a witness. There is a document at USHMM that confirms that witnesses did leave Treblinka alive. If train schedules existed for trains outbound from Treblinka we would know how many of those trains carried passengers. Those records have been destroyed/hidden so Nessie can and does use that to support his, "They were just selected for work" mantra. Without the train schedules there's no way of knowing how many Jews sent to Treblinka were transferred to other sites. Nessie exploits that lack of records to whine, "Where did they gooooo?". Let's see your list of witnesses besides Zabecki who claim that the trains left empty. Nessie then claims that local Poles say that trains left Treblinka empty. So name some of those people and post a link to their testimony. Yes, we know that you claim Zabecki and the drunken engineer as impeccable sources but who else specifically says that all or most trains left Treblinka empty? You are asking to see evidence you have been shown before. There is witness and documentary evidence of empty trains leaving TII. If you think hundreds of mystery trains arrived at TII to take away hundreds of thousands of people, you are admitting there is no witness or documentary evidence for that. The lack of records and witnesses, is because there were no such transports.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 8:33:42 GMT
Show me the evidence of regular mass transports back out of the AR camps and where they went.
Show me the evidence they could have been gassed as described with CO in the time alotted and their remains destroyed. Off topic, stop trolling, show me the evidence as to where they went.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 5, 2022 9:00:20 GMT
Show me the evidence they could have been gassed as described with CO in the time alotted and their remains destroyed. Off topic, stop trolling, show me the evidence as to where they went. You are the one trolling, you ignore posts and respond with show me the evidence of where they went. Responding as to evience that they went in the ground is exactly on topic. You stating it is not is trolling.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 5, 2022 9:29:02 GMT
Nessie wrote:
So, Zabecki and the drunk are your only witnesses. The local villagers didn't testify as you claim. Except for Olszuk and the wino (forgot his name) and Faurisson had to curtail his interviews with Olszuk. Of course Nessie covers that with the "I already done that" excuse.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 11:49:00 GMT
Nessie wrote: So, Zabecki and the drunk are your only witnesses. The local villagers didn't testify as you claim. Except for Olszuk and the wino (forgot his name) and Faurisson had to curtail his interviews with Olszuk. Of course Nessie covers that with the "I already done that" excuse. No, there are multiple Polish rail workers who said empty trains left. The site where I could link to their statements has been locked for online use;
Searches find other sources, "Henryk Gawkowski and Treblinka railway workers";
"He drove transports two to three times per week, for a year and a half-basically the entire time the camp was in existence. He explains how the convoys would be divided into thirds because the entire train wouldn't fit into the camp. The remaining cars waited at the Treblinka station; he would push the divided convoy into the camp. That was the worst for him, because he knew it was the end for the Jews on the train."
Still waiting for you to evidence mystery trains arriving and taking away hundreds of thousands of people. Where are your witnesses, documents, other evidence? There is so much evidence of mass transports to TII and empty trains leaving, but mysteriously, there is no evidence of regular mass transports back out of the camp.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 5, 2022 12:06:03 GMT
Nessie wrote: So, Zabecki and the drunk are your only witnesses. The local villagers didn't testify as you claim. Except for Olszuk and the wino (forgot his name) and Faurisson had to curtail his interviews with Olszuk. Of course Nessie covers that with the "I already done that" excuse. No, there are multiple Polish rail workers who said empty trains left. The site where I could link to their statements has been locked for online use; Searches find other sources, "Henryk Gawkowski and Treblinka railway workers";
"He drove transports two to three times per week, for a year and a half-basically the entire time the camp was in existence. He explains how the convoys would be divided into thirds because the entire train wouldn't fit into the camp. The remaining cars waited at the Treblinka station; he would push the divided convoy into the camp. That was the worst for him, because he knew it was the end for the Jews on the train." Still waiting for you to evidence mystery trains arriving and taking away hundreds of thousands of people. Where are your witnesses, documents, other evidence? There is so much evidence of mass transports to TII and empty trains leaving, but mysteriously, there is no evidence of regular mass transports back out of the camp.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 5, 2022 12:16:21 GMT
This topic is about where did all the Jews supposedly not gassed go.
Since no denier can evidence where they went, the topic ends up discussing the evidence of what did happen, with Polish railworkers, under pain of death, being forced to take Jews to their deaths, something they clearly feel very guilty about when interviewed after the war.
What the deniers then gloss over is that no Pole makes any claim to the contrary and speaks about mass transports of people back out of the camps.
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