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Post by Nessie on Mar 19, 2022 18:26:10 GMT
This thread is about the death marches from concentration camps in the east, as the Nazis fled west taking prisoners with them. The 600 camps in Ostland that conceided defeat in the Soviet advance and fled you know nothing about, not many people do. This is work in progress it seems. It is not really work in progress, since it is already known that many camps had closed before the Soviets arrived, that they often found few prisoners and that the Nazis marched most west. |
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Post by Ulios on Mar 19, 2022 18:32:11 GMT
The 600 camps in Ostland that conceided defeat in the Soviet advance and fled you know nothing about, not many people do. This is work in progress it seems. It is not really work in progress, since it is already known that many camps had closed before the Soviets arrived, that they often found few prisoners and that the Nazis marched most west. You knew nothing of these camps until we told you in the old forum; until then you only knew of Trostenets and a few ghettos. You were not even aware of the first transport leaving Warsaw going to Bobruysk. Of course those camps closed before the Soviet advance, no idiot commandant is going to sit there while the Russkis come to sup vodka with him. You like most know nothing of these camps as mentionedand yet have the gall to make a statement as though you know something. How pompous and arrogant. The work in progress is finding more about these camps, individual ones, their purpose and the fate of the inmates. While this work is going on you can strut around on your high horse pretending you know something when in fact the reality is clear. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 19, 2022 18:38:35 GMT
It is not really work in progress, since it is already known that many camps had closed before the Soviets arrived, that they often found few prisoners and that the Nazis marched most west. You knew nothing of these camps until we told you in the old forum; until then you only knew of Trostenets and a few ghettos. You were not even aware of the first transport leaving Warsaw going to Bobruysk. Of course those camps closed before the Soviet advance, no idiot commandant is going to sit there while the Russkis come to sup vodka with him. You like most know nothing of these camps as mentionedand yet have the gall to make a statement as though you know something. How pompous and arrogant. The work in progress is finding more about these camps, individual ones, their purpose and the fate of the inmates. While this work is going on you can strut around on your high horse pretending you know something when in fact the reality is clear. Millions of Jews being marched west in 1945 would leave a lot of evidence which would have been found by now. Are you part of the investigation to find evidence? If so, what are you doing to find evidence? |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 19, 2022 19:10:53 GMT
Do you mean, someone saying " I walked west with the nazis!" That sort of evidence? That would be witness evidence. There is witness evidence of mass marches in 1944-5 from camps in the east to go west. There is no witness or any other evidence of mass marches of people back out of the AR camps when they were open in 1942-3. Been-there is confused and has shown he does not know much about the subject. Are you saying that if all you have is witnesses that is enough? |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 20, 2022 10:24:36 GMT
That would be witness evidence. There is witness evidence of mass marches in 1944-5 from camps in the east to go west. There is no witness or any other evidence of mass marches of people back out of the AR camps when they were open in 1942-3. Been-there is confused and has shown he does not know much about the subject. Are you saying that if all you have is witnesses that is enough? If there are enough of them, they all say more or less the same thing and especially if they are Polish, Jewish and Nazi, then yes. If hundreds of thousands of people left those places, local Poles, the Jews on the trains and the Nazis responsible for coordinating the trains would all be witnesses. If there is also documentary evidence of mass marches, that would further corroborate the witnesses.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 20, 2022 19:12:20 GMT
If there are enough of them, they all say more or less the same thing and especially if they are Polish, Jewish and Nazi, then yes. If hundreds of thousands of people left those places, local Poles, the Jews on the trains and the Nazis responsible for coordinating the trains would all be witnesses. If there is also documentary evidence of mass marches, that would further corroborate the witnesses. These camps like the people popped in and out of existence like quantum particles, much lost in the pea soup of war. The forced marches were a scenario presented due to it happening in the Polish camps. What is not often mentioned is that these marches were often on train as mentioned by Auschwitz inmate Schlomo Pivnik, who walked some distance, caught a train, walked some more and so on. There were people walking all the time in those areas, from camp to camp so that would not attract much attention. No one said that all the camps stopped at once and said "OK boys lets move out"; that scenario is only in a pointed head. Some of the inmates (5000) on the SS Cap Arcona that the RAF blew to pieces on the Baltic coastline, might have been from one of those camps. Pivnik was and he was originally at Birkenau. He survived somehow. People were displaced but how it happened is unknown. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 21, 2022 8:45:35 GMT
Are you saying that if all you have is witnesses that is enough? If there are enough of them, they all say more or less the same thing and especially if they are Polish, Jewish and Nazi, then yes. If hundreds of thousands of people left those places, local Poles, the Jews on the trains and the Nazis responsible for coordinating the trains would all be witnesses. If there is also documentary evidence of mass marches, that would further corroborate the witnesses.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 9:02:41 GMT
If there are enough of them, they all say more or less the same thing and especially if they are Polish, Jewish and Nazi, then yes. If hundreds of thousands of people left those places, local Poles, the Jews on the trains and the Nazis responsible for coordinating the trains would all be witnesses. If there is also documentary evidence of mass marches, that would further corroborate the witnesses.
How many is enough? A few hundred thousand. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 21, 2022 23:59:38 GMT
How many hundred thousands? |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 22, 2022 8:42:02 GMT
How many hundred thousands? It does not need to be specific. Just evidence lots of people were being marched out of the AR camps and that evidence proves it was hundreds of thousands and not just a few hundred. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 22, 2022 8:57:46 GMT
How many hundred thousands? It does not need to be specific. Just evidence lots of people were being marched out of the AR camps and that evidence proves it was hundreds of thousands and not just a few hundred. Why doesnt it need to be specific? |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 22, 2022 9:30:10 GMT
It does not need to be specific. Just evidence lots of people were being marched out of the AR camps and that evidence proves it was hundreds of thousands and not just a few hundred. Why doesnt it need to be specific? Because people are not good at estimating crowd sizes. But, a local Polish witnesses state they saw regular marches of large groups of Jews out of the AR camps and/or there were some witnesses from those groups, that would be enough evidence to prove mass departures of people on foot from those camps. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 22, 2022 10:25:51 GMT
Why doesnt it need to be specific? Because people are not good at estimating crowd sizes. But, a local Polish witnesses state they saw regular marches of large groups of Jews out of the AR camps and/or there were some witnesses from those groups, that would be enough evidence to prove mass departures of people on foot from those camps. How can you be precise about numbers while relying on guesses? |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 22, 2022 14:54:01 GMT
Because people are not good at estimating crowd sizes. But, a local Polish witnesses state they saw regular marches of large groups of Jews out of the AR camps and/or there were some witnesses from those groups, that would be enough evidence to prove mass departures of people on foot from those camps. How can you be precise about numbers while relying on guesses? There is a huge difference between seeing no one leaving the camps on foot, occasionally seeing smaller groups leaving on foot and regularly seeing large groups leaving on foot.
You clearly have no evidence, so you are just asking questions, or jaqing off.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 22, 2022 16:47:14 GMT
How can you be precise about numbers while relying on guesses? There is a huge difference between seeing no one leaving the camps on foot, occasionally seeing smaller groups leaving on foot and regularly seeing large groups leaving on foot.
You clearly have no evidence, so you are just asking questions, or jaqing off.
Who is doing all this seeing? Witness who lived nearby like Marian Olszuk are completely ignored by jerks like you. |
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