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Post by Nessie on Mar 4, 2022 9:08:23 GMT
Nessie wrote: OK, start with Chil Rajchman since his claims can be checked against what he wrote in his book. Why is what he writes about the hermetically sealed vacuum/gas chambers the truth? It is the truth because 1 - hermetic sealing on a gas chamber makes sense, they stop leaks, mean less gas is needed and the process is quicker. 2 - he did not literally mean the entire chamber was a perfect hermetic seal, since gas was pumped in the chamber was part of a sealed system between the engine and the other chambers. 3 - any pressure issues are easily engineered out and he would not necessarily know how, since he did not design or build the chambers 4 - his claims are corroborated. It is not. It is a turn of phrase to describe the horrors of what he saw. It is not to be taken literally. That is how witnesses can behave. They are not as matter of fact, calm and literal as you think they should be. Your lack of experience in dealing with witnesses means you are ignorant of how many behave. Now you are being childish and lying. There is ample corroborating evidence of mass murder at TII and no evidence of the regular mass transports back out, and accommodation of those you claim were not gassed. Your claim that c850,000 were moved and accommodated leaving no evidence is pure la-la land. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 4, 2022 10:57:17 GMT
Yep, we can ignore what Rajchman said because...well...just because. He didn't mean what he said so it's irrelevant. In fact, most of what the "witnesses" said can be ignored. It's just how witnesses are. Historians and police investigators know that witnesses should be ignored. What they say needs to be interpreted by experts. Like if a bona fide archaeologist says that she found a few tiny pieces of bone, you can take it to the bank that there's at least 2-2,500 TONS of cremains buried in the "probable" graves. You betcha'.
Actually I don't claim that ~850,000 Jews were moved and accommodated somewhere. What I DO claim is that they weren't gassed/vacuumed/steamed in hermetically sealed chambers, buried in pits 30-40 feet deep, exhumed with draglines and cremated on little grates about 1.5X30 meters with nothing except some twigs/brush/etc. for fuel. That IS what you claim.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 4, 2022 13:37:33 GMT
Yep, we can ignore what Rajchman said because...well...just because. He didn't mean what he said so it's irrelevant. In fact, most of what the "witnesses" said can be ignored. It's just how witnesses are. Historians and police investigators know that witnesses should be ignored. What they say needs to be interpreted by experts. Like if a bona fide archaeologist says that she found a few tiny pieces of bone, you can take it to the bank that there's at least 2-2,500 TONS of cremains buried in the "probable" graves. You betcha'. You are like a child throwing a temper tantrum. I have explained to you about how historians and the police determine what is truthful and what is not, by identifying and ignoring hearsay and rumour and verifying eyewitness claims by looking for corroboration. I have explained to you that you take witnesses too literally and how to identify hyperbole, turns of phrase, emotive descriptives, exaggerations etc. I have pointed out that the Jewish witnesses are far more emotive than the Nazis and why that is. Actually you do, because if you claim they were not killed at TII, then they had to be moved and accommodated elsewhere. The ONLY alternatives are they were killed or they were taken elsewhere. If you say they were not killed, they had to be taken elsewhere, or if the claim was they were taken elsewhere, they obviously cannot have been killed. Then they must have been transported and accommodated elsewhere. By default, that is your claim. You cannot rationally pretend it is not your claim, otherwise you are admitting you are the one living in la-la land. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 4, 2022 14:56:30 GMT
Nessie wrote:
You have explained how anything that supports the holyhoax is the truth and anything that questions that belief is false.
Actually I don't. I really don't give a shit where the Jews went. They could have been loaded on a mother ship bound for Alpha Centauri for all I know or care. Such a scenario is no less likely than your claim of how they were murdered at Treblinka. Rajchman's claims of hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers is nothing but a bizarre fantasy that you try to cover up with the equally bizarre fantasy of, "He was just exaggerating".
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Post by Nessie on Mar 4, 2022 15:56:35 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have explained how anything that supports the holyhoax is the truth and anything that questions that belief is false. The methodology I describe and use, applies to all witnesses, no matter what they claim. For example, the claims of mass transports of people back out of TII by the likes of Sam Kulawy are not dismissed because they are counter to the death camp narrative. They are dismissed due to a lack of corroboration and evidence that mass transports to Auschwitz came from Malkinia, which was nearby to Treblinka. Actually you do, and now you admit it... It does not matter that you do not give a shit. That you pretend it does not matter that there is no evidence of mass transports back out of TII, proves you are the deluded one from la-la land. A gas chamber as described by Rajchman would work, since using hermetic sealing is sensible for a gas chambers and his belief air was pumped out before gas was pumped in is not unreasonable. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 4, 2022 17:22:58 GMT
So, are you saying that no trains carrying a full complement of passengers left Treblinka? Not one deportee left with a trainload of other deportees? That's a new one and you justify it how? Kulawy went to A-B but the others went to Majdanek. Were they all mistaken about being in Treblinka too?
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Post by Nessie on Mar 4, 2022 19:45:46 GMT
So, are you saying that no trains carrying a full complement of passengers left Treblinka? Not one deportee left with a trainload of other deportees? That's a new one and you justify it how? Kulawy went to A-B but the others went to Majdanek. Were they all mistaken about being in Treblinka too? There is no evidence to corroborate that a full train, of men, women and children left TII. There is no one who worked at TII, no Polish rail workers or other local witnesses to such and there is no documentary evidence.
Sam Kulway, as explained said he went to Auschwitz and the records there are of an arrival from Malkinia. The same applies to Runia Lunski;
Using google trabslate; "On January 3, 1943, the remaining 2,000 people were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Runia Lunski and her husband were on the train."
They are the only two who state they were on full trains.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 4, 2022 20:22:03 GMT
So, Rajchman, Wiernik, Bomba et al. told the truth about Treblinka but the Jews in Hunt's video were all liars or at least didn't know where they were or what they were talking about. That's a good 'un, Nessie. Right up there with the little boy riding his tricycle to the moon.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 5, 2022 9:38:49 GMT
So, Rajchman, Wiernik, Bomba et al. told the truth about Treblinka but the Jews in Hunt's video were all liars or at least didn't know where they were or what they were talking about. That's a good 'un, Nessie. Right up there with the little boy riding his tricycle to the moon. Yet again you use a false analogy, comparing something possible to something impossible, whilst you weasel dodge that your claim is physically impossible.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 5, 2022 10:27:58 GMT
LOL! Claiming that Rajchman, Wiernik, Bomba et al. told the absolute truth about the alleged events at Treblinka while the witnesses in the Hunt video were all liars IS the same as claiming that a little boy rode his tricycle to the moon.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 5, 2022 10:56:20 GMT
LOL! Claiming that Rajchman, Wiernik, Bomba et al. told the absolute truth about the alleged events at Treblinka while the witnesses in the Hunt video were all liars IS the same as claiming that a little boy rode his tricycle to the moon. The liar is you. No where have I claimed the Sonderkommados told the absolute truth and the witnesses Hunt used are all liars.
You live in a black and white, simplistic world, where you do not understand normal human nature and the difference between an actual lie and mistakes or exaggerations and figures of speech. The claims made by the Sonderkommandos and the transportees are full of mistakes, mostly caused by normal memory failings, as they all related what had happened years, if not decades later. None of them told a complete pack of lies about what happened, we know that because of the corroborating evidence that confirms their main claims. Instead, they made plenty of mistakes, such as those who thought they were at TII, but were instead elsewhere, or mistakes about how the gas chambers actually functioned, or mistakes about the size of the graves.
Meanwhile, you weasel dodge that your claim of no gassings, therefore hundreds of thousands left TII to be transported and accommodated elsewhere, without that leaving any evidence, is the same as claiming a boy can cycle to the moon. BOTH are physically impossible.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 5, 2022 11:28:36 GMT
Uh-huh, Rajchman was just exaggerating when he told of the air being pumped out of the gas/vacuum chamber. Wiernik only made a "mistake" when he stated that the victims of gassing were yellow in color and Bomba was just using "hyperbole" when he related how the women whose hair he was cutting sat on benches inside the gas chamber. All perfectly normal exaggerations, mistakes and hyperbole by perfectly honest witnesses.
Nessie expects people to believe his excuses for such clangers. Whether or not he actually believes such drivel is unknown. When it comes to religion and the holyhoax is Nessie's religion, stranger things than that are routinely believed by adherents so anything is possible. However, when it comes to convincing rational people, such claims simply don't fly. Convincing people that witnesses such as Rajchman and Wiernik just "exaggerated" or made some little "mistakes" is no more likely than convincing them that a little boy rode his tricycle to the moon, They lied, Nessie, and you can't weasel dodge that.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 5, 2022 11:37:02 GMT
Uh-huh, Rajchman was just exaggerating when he told of the air being pumped out of the gas/vacuum chamber. Wiernik only made a "mistake" when he stated that the victims of gassing were yellow in color and Bomba was just using "hyperbole" when he related how the women whose hair he was cutting sat on benches inside the gas chamber. All perfectly normal exaggerations, mistakes and hyperbole by perfectly honest witnesses. Nessie expects people to believe his excuses for such clangers. Whether or not he actually believes such drivel is unknown. When it comes to religion and the holyhoax is Nessie's religion, stranger things than that are routinely believed by adherents so anything is possible. However, when it comes to convincing rational people, such claims simply don't fly. Convincing people that witnesses such as Rajchman and Wiernik just "exaggerated" or made some little "mistakes" is no more likely than convincing them that a little boy rode his tricycle to the moon, They lied, Nessie, and you can't weasel dodge that. The reason why we know they did not lie about gassings, graves and cremations, is the corroborating evidence that confirms their claims.
Your arguments from incredulity, based on the way they describe what they saw, are logically flawed.
You weasel dodge that there is no evidence of the only alternative to mass gassings and that it would be physically impossible to transport and accommodate so many people without there being any evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 5, 2022 12:14:32 GMT
You have no corroborating evidence. You have what you claim is evidence but it's just bullshit.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 5, 2022 12:20:53 GMT
You have no corroborating evidence. You have what you claim is evidence but it's just bullshit. That is a lie.
It is you who actually has NO EVIDENCE.
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