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Post by Turnagain on Feb 24, 2022 19:30:58 GMT
First off, not all of the witnesses said that Treblinka was a death camp. You once accused me of disbelieving everything a witness said if I disagreed with one part of his statement. Now you're claiming that I should disagree with everything a witness says if I disbelieve one part of his testimony. In any event, what the hell does that have to do with, "What you weasel dodge, is your favourite witnesses all believe TII was a death camp"? I've weasel dodged nothing
No, Mattogno and Graf have looked through the records and didn't find any outbound train records so there isn't any "evidence" that such records exist. There's no "what if" there aren't any train records. Your "what if" the train records exist is just bullshit.
Since there were no steam/gas/vacuum chambers pressure issues didn't exist. The only "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" are yours.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 24, 2022 20:25:17 GMT
First off, not all of the witnesses said that Treblinka was a death camp. Name and quote who you are referring to. You have weasel dodged my point that if you were a lawyer for the Nazis and you called witnesses who said that TII was a death camp, you would be laughed out of court. I think you should agree with what those witnesses said about being selected to work in labour camps in Poland and that TII was a death camp. I would only argue that some of those witnesses were wrong about being at TII. We do not know if Mattogno searched the entire Majdanek archive and he admits to finding transport records from TII and Belzec. What they did not find, was any evidence of mass transports east from the AR camps. The credible, corroborating evidence is of gas, not steam or vacuum chambers. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 27, 2022 9:04:06 GMT
Turnagain is weasel dodging that there are schedules for trains leaving TII and returning to where they came from, for over 30% of transports and over 300,000 people. All of those transports dropped people off at TII and went back empty to where they came from. That is proof TII was not a transit camp.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 27, 2022 9:38:38 GMT
Nessie wrote:
(sigh) Just go view the Hunt video again. Not all of the witnesses say anything about Treblinka being a "death camp".
Not if the witnesses had to admit that they were repeating hearsay.
Uh-huh, "WHAT IF" we don't know if Mattogno and Graf didn't search the entire archives in the whole world? I'm sure that there were a few archives in Outer Mongolia that they missed.
Why is Abe Kon and Chil Rajchman not credible witnesses? Why is the evidence provided by the Poles not credible? Quote some the credible witnesses who claim that the poison gas was CO from a Soviet tank engine.
Nessie claims, "Oh pooh, the testimony about steam chambers, vacuum chambers, chambers that could contain 20 people per square meter are just, well, mistakes, exaggerations or hyperbole". Yep, witnesses exaggerate and make those kind of mistakes all the time. Ya' gotta' expect it. We have Nessie to sift the fly shit out of the pepper for us, though, so we'll get the straight story. You betcha'.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 27, 2022 9:43:17 GMT
You are trying to switch subjects. The subject of how to tell if a witness is truthful or not is here; rodoh.freeforums.net/thread/300/proving-liesYou filled that with comments about transports, which is the subject of this debate; I have shown you the schedules that record outbound trains from TII to Warsaw, Lukow, Sedziszow, Szydlowiec and Kozienice. You weasel dodge that alone, that accounts for over 30% of all trains and over 300,000 people, who arrived at TII and their trains left empty. Here are those schedules again, to rub it in your face; Warsaw; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram#/media/File:Ostbahn_Krakau_shuttle_train_Warschau-Treblinka.jpgSedziszow, Szydlowiec and Kozienice; commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Timetable_to_Treblinka_from_Radom_district_September_1942.jpgLukow; dirkdeklein.net/2016/09/13/amon-goth/kz-fahrplananordnung/That proves over 30% of trains arriving at TII returned to where they came from, transporting over 300,000 people to TII, whose trains left empty. That alone proves TII was not a transit camp. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 26, 2022 8:44:39 GMT
Just so information about the transports is in the same post, as Turnagain lies repeatedly that he has not been shown that information; rodoh.freeforums.net/post/5314/threadI have answered you before. I linked you to the Treblinka timelines and that they were of the trains from ghettos, as those ghettos were emptied. The timelines show 219 trains, of which the Warsaw trains which even you accept left empty account for 53 trains. Add in the other ghettos for which there are schedules, and that is about 60 trains, or about 30% of trains. It is 267,121 people from Warsaw, or again about 30% of the people. memoryoftreblinka.org/timeline-of-treblinka-extermination-camp/Since the other ghettos were doing the same as Warsaw and emptying to TII and returning to the origin empty, it is reasonable to say the others did so as well. Why would they take people back to ghettos that were being emptied? Then there are 39 witness who say they left with people to go to Majdanek, Budzyn or Poniatowa.
studylib.net/doc/7233192/treblinka-transit-list-editedThere are doubts some of those witnesses were at TII and we do not know how many were on the same train, but to be generous, let us say 39 trains left TII with c6500-9000 passengers. That is a total of 291 + 39 = 322 of which 53 you accept left empty to go back to Warsaw, a maximum of 39 left with passengers and the rest, 238, also went back to ghettos, so they were empty as well. You will of course ignore most of that answer, prented to forget about it and then ask me again sometime soon!!! |
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