Treblinka transports

I knew about the selection process at A-B and Sobibor, but not TII, until I saw the evidence for that. I now know the selection process took place at various death camps. That does nothing to alter TII was a death camp. It just means there was a selection process at more death camps than I knew about.



In that case, until you produce records of regular mass transports back out of TII, they also do not exist. That is your standard, no record, no transport.



The answer is none, since your standard is no record, no transport.



That the witnesses say things you do not believe, does not therefore mean you have evidence of no gassings. It just means you do not believe any of the witnesses who worked inside TII. You cannot claim, therefore, mass transports. You need evidence of mass transports and not only is there none, you have admitted no record, no transport.

That is merely your biased opinion. There is corroborating evidence it was a death camp.



Then I point out Mattogno did find records at Majdanek and there are archives for the other camps, which need to be searched.



Your suggestion of a hoax is falling apart, with the Soviets missing records and then Speilberg blowing the whistle that there were some transports. I have been telling you for a long time now that the hoax you allege would be impossible to organise and coordinate. You have now admitted to two examples of where those supposedly coordinating the hoax have blown it.



But you admit you don't know what records are or are not in the archives. What is evidenced, is occasional transports, which also happened at other death camps.

Uh-huh, just because the witnesses claim that the impossible happened is no reason for me not to believe them. Yeah, that's the ticket. Life in holyhoax la-la land. [/quote]

You interpret them literally, without taking into account how witnesses behave normally, which is dishonest and designed to support your argument from incredulity.

Turnagain starts his response with a logical fallacy, poisoning the well. He knows he has no evidence to back up his claim of regular mass transports of c850,000 back out of TII and the accommodation of those people elsewhere. So he has to start his response by abusing his opponent.



He weasel dodges that those credible witnesses stated TII was a death camp. If he presented witnesses as credible in court, but they then said the opposite to what he claimed, he would be laughed out of the court!



There are three claims of trains carrying children, none of which can be verified as having come from TII. Turnagain weasel dodges that.



That is an assertion, since we do not know about the records for Budzyn and Poniatowa camps.



There are records online of transports to TII from 5 different ghettos, including Warsaw, where trains stopped at TII and then returned to the ghetto. That means over 30% of trains have records we can see online, and that accounts to over 300,000 people.

Historians have been able to construct timelines of trains to TII from ghettos all over eastern Europe. That proves there are more records that are not online.

Because those records say what Turnagain does not want to hear, he pretends there is a lack of records, but everyone can see he is being dishonest.



Until there is verification those trains left TII, they remain uncertain.



The evidence that proves gassings took place, along with the mass theft of all of the passenger's property, is why only a few trains left with passengers. TII was no different to other death camps, some got selected to work. You weasel dodge the trains that left with passengers went to labour camps in Poland, not to be resettled in the east.

Turnagain weasel dodges that when full trains left, they left evidence, from witnesses and/or records.





Turnagin is playing semantic games to excuse he discusses the evidence for gassings, graves and cremations constantly. Here he goes again....!




Your arguments from incredulity are logical fallacies. The Germans could easily build gas chambers and engineer around any pressure issues. They had excavators that could dig big pits. They could cremate on pyres using rails. You cherry pick the obviously flawed witness evidence and ignore that every single witness makes the same basic claim of deaths by asphyxiation in chambers, mass graves and cremations.



Turnagain thinks his arguments from incredulity have merit and justify his claim of no gassings and belief in the mass transport and accommodation of c850,000 people, for which there is no evidence. In the real world, people do not fall for fallacies and believe in unevidenced fantasies.

What you weasel dodge, is your favourite witnesses all believe TII was a death camp. You like to present yourself as defence for the Nazis, but you are using witnesses who disagree with you.



There are records at the Majdanek and A-B archives, as to where trains came from. Indeed, there are lots of surviving records of train transports. You weasel dodge that if there were regular mass transports back out of TII, not only would there be some surviving records, there would also be surviving witnesses. Instead, there are neither.



Online records alone prove 30% of train left TII empty. Add in the archive records and all of the witnesses to empty trains leaving the camp, and there is proof the majority of trains left with no passengers.



Stop using arguments from incredulity. Your disbelief is not a substitute for evidence.

There was the circumstantial evidence of not seeing anyone else sent to the camp, who was not selected for work. Their disappearance fitted with the gassing claims, they disappeared, because they were gassed. That is why the witnesses you say are credible, believed the gassing claims.

After the war, no new evidence was found, such that they realised the rumours were wrong, so they continued to believe the gassing claims. So, they have good reason to believe gassings took place and your claim they evidence TII was a transit camp is wrong.




I am claiming if the archives were searched, more records would be found.



You know what. It means at least 30% of trains arriving at TII left with no passengers, which is corroborating circumstantial evidence to support the gassing claims and is inconsistent with transit camp claims.



All that means is the Nazis worked out how to relieve pressure in the chambers and they either used a different excavator or the pits were not as big as claimed.

Just because a witness states something that appears to not be possible, does not make it not possible. Witness descriptions are flawed, riddled with errors and are not a credible method for determining possibility. The construction and engineering capabilities at the time are what determine possibility.