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Post by Turnagain on Feb 21, 2022 10:44:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: Kulawy said a "trainload". He didn't say any specific number so nothing was put in the, "Number of people transferred with?" column you moron. It doesn't mean that nobody left Treblinka with him. You're apparently claiming that if the goombahs who made that chart didn't write down a number then it meant that 0 people left Treblinka for that entry. Nessie wrote: If records for all trains leaving empty from Treblinka could be found you could bet that the Jews and hoaxsters would be waving flags and shouting it from the rooftops. You would be for damn sure. Really? From the Youtube header for Hunt's video: Nessie wrote: If those records have been destroyed either deliberately or by accident then nobody is going to find them. The fact that the records exist for empty trains returning to Poland suggests that records for trains carrying passengers from Treblinka have been deliberately destroyed. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 21, 2022 11:00:55 GMT
Nessie wrote: Kulawy said a "trainload". He didn't say any specific number so nothing was put in the, "Number of people transferred with?" column you moron. It doesn't mean that nobody left Treblinka with him. You're apparently claiming that if the goombahs who made that chart didn't write down a number then it meant that 0 people left Treblinka for that entry. The quoted text for Kulawy reads "Hundreds in each car, men, women and children, so many people that there was no room to sit, no one could move. From there they took us to Auschwitz" That is why I doubt Kulawy was at TII as there are records at Auschwitz of trains arriving from Malkinia, but not Treblinka. I have already shown you that over 30% of trains left empty and went back to the city or town they came from. You weasel dodge that means c300,000 people you cannot account for, who arrived at TII and their trains left empty. If I found more, you would just weasel dodge that as well. Since you are claiming widespread knowledge of transports back out of TII was only from 2014, then that explains why Arad and Black said what they said, as they likely did not know about that evidence. Either way, they have made mistakes claiming no one left TII alive saving those who escaped. That is an example of why the hoax claim is not credible. With so many historians, so many archives, records still being found, your suggestion of an organised hoax is not possible. To hide and destroy all of the evidence of the movement of c2.5 million people is not possible. Even if all of the records of mass transports of people from TII could be found and destroyed, what about the witnesses? Speilberg and before him Claud Lanzemann went out and found witnesses who contradicted Arad and Black. If there was an organised hoax, how has that been allowed? |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 21, 2022 12:21:30 GMT
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Uh-huh, the Germans had a regulation stating that anyone arriving at Treblinka on one train couldn't leave there on a different train. Thus, anyone who arrived on the shuttle train had to be killed. Yeah, that's the ticket. That's what happened.
You claim that it's been known since the 80s that people had left Treblinka as part "selections". Hunt's film was released in 2014. That leaves Arad and Black about 30 years to get up to speed on developments in their field. Right, they just missed it. Spielberg had done tens of thousands of interviews in dozens of different countries and they hadn't heard a word of it.
They were lying, moron. They were sticking to the holyhoax script and Hunt nailed their asses to their lies.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 21, 2022 12:38:23 GMT
Nessie wrote: Uh-huh, the Germans had a regulation stating that anyone arriving at Treblinka on one train couldn't leave there on a different train. Thus, anyone who arrived on the shuttle train had to be killed. Yeah, that's the ticket. That's what happened. You are weasel dodging that for weeks, the only trains arriving and leaving TII were from Warsaw, so what trains did they all leave on? The reason why we know they were killed is from the evidence from inside TII. It was Speilberg who "nailed their asses to their lies". Before Speilberg, it was Lanzemann who also produced witnesses to transports. Why did no one tell Speilberg and Lanzemann to get in line with Arad and Black and cover up the transports? |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 21, 2022 14:00:34 GMT
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On trains for which no records exist. Trains like the ones the witnesses left on.
In Lanzmann's film, which witness testified that people were leaving Treblinka on trains? Spielberg was filming for his archive not making a film for public release. Maybe Spielberg did tell Arad and others not to worry about it. The interviews were to be buried in the archive. Why didn't he just burn the film? Who knows? I'm sure that Spielberg didn't personally babysit every one of the 50,000 plus interviews so most likely his film crews just didn't realize the significance of the Treblinka witnesses' statements.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 21, 2022 19:32:54 GMT
Nessie wrote: On trains for which no records exist. Trains like the ones the witnesses left on. No, they were on the Warsaw shuttle train record, that shuttled between Warsaw and TII, leaving TII empty. That is why you are weasel dodging the evidence of nearly 300,000 people arriving at TII, whose trains left empty. That does not fit with your unevidenced transit camp narrative. It spoils your hoax narrative that two Jewish film directors, one of whom pretty much everyone has heard of, got it so wrong and contradicted two of the major Holocaust historians. How come that howler has not been covered up? Why is the witness evidence still available to see? The answer you weasel dodge is that the witnesses evidence worker selections, not TII as a transit camp, as Eric Hunt had the honesty to admit. As for the witnesses such as Kulawy, he made a mistake and was not at TII, his transport went to Auschwitz from Malkinia, which even deniers have admitted gets mixed up with Treblinka. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 22, 2022 7:20:40 GMT
Nessie wrote: Gee, apparently the Germans had another regulation/rule that no other trains were allowed into Treblinka while the Warsaw shuttle trains were operating. Absolutely verboten! Just one more "rules for Germans" that Nessie has decreed. Nessie refuses to answer my question, "In Lanzmann's film, which witness testified that people were leaving Treblinka on trains"? No doubt he'll say, "Go watch the film" which is nine (9) hours long. Nessie wrote: So far, only Spielberg's interviews have contradicted Arad and Black. That "howler" had been covered up until Hunt got into the film archive at USC. You have no way of knowing if those film clips are still available for viewing. They can be viewed in Hunt's film. In his mea culpa, Hunt claimed that his film could be "misleading". He did NOT say that it was fabricated, a lie. He went on to say that those fit for work were sent to other camps/work stations and the young, the old and the infirm were killed at Treblinka. You are apparently claiming that out of 8-900,000 people, only 6-9,000 were fit for work. Nessie needs to clean up his tale of Treblinka a bit.
Edit. Here is Hunt's exact quote from his mea culpa stating his belief about the so-called extermination camps:
Hunt did NOT declare that all of the people sent to Treblinka were gassed. Able bodied men and women were transported elsewhere for labor. Only the VERY young, the old and the infirm were supposedly gassed.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 22, 2022 9:00:26 GMT
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 22, 2022 10:19:41 GMT
Your mish-mash of links make no sense at all. Here is the note from USC about the Kulawy interview: What the hell good is it linking to a video that can't be viewed? Kulawy's listing in the transit list makes NO mention of a trainload of men, women and children or of any fellow deportees at all.
Then we have Helen Schwartz who apparently wasn't the same Helen Schwartz that was transferred out of Treblinka. The Helen Schwartz in the four part interview makes no mention of Treblinka at all.
Then we have "Lipa A." Who the hell is Lipa A.? First off the interview is in Yiddish so I wouldn't understand it even if I did buy a copy of it. The only mention of Treblinka in the synopsis is:
In any event, what does any of that have to do with Hunt's claim that all except the very young, the old and infirm were transported out of Treblinka? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 22, 2022 14:46:24 GMT
Your mish-mash of links make no sense at all. Here is the note from USC about the Kulawy interview: What the hell good is it linking to a video that can't be viewed? Kulawy's listing in the transit list makes NO mention of a trainload of men, women and children or of any fellow deportees at all.
Then we have Helen Schwartz who apparently wasn't the same Helen Schwartz that was transferred out of Treblinka. The Helen Schwartz in the four part interview makes no mention of Treblinka at all.
Then we have "Lipa A." Who the hell is Lipa A.? First off the interview is in Yiddish so I wouldn't understand it even if I did buy a copy of it. The only mention of Treblinka in the synopsis is:
In any event, what does any of that have to do with Hunt's claim that all except the very young, the old and infirm were transported out of Treblinka? You are weasel dodging that there are numerous online sites publishing information on AR camp survivors, which contradicts claims no one survived the AR camps save some escapees, which rather ruins your conspiracy theory that everyone is being hoaxed about mass gassings.
Eric Hunt was wrong on numerous claims, which he had the decency to admit, when he had the evidencing and his lack of logic explained to him.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 22, 2022 15:06:42 GMT
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What the hell does that have to do with Arad and Black claiming that nobody left Treblinka except a few escapees? That was the conventional wisdom, the official narrative of the day and it was bullshit. Same as Arad, CS-C, ARC et al. claiming that the M&H draglines both dug and stockpiled the ex from the 12X30X50 meter graves. Same as your idiotic claim that 2-3,000 cadavers were piled on a 1.5X30 meter grate and cremated with some imaginary wood.
So who explained to Hunt that he was wrong about the able bodied men and women being transited through Treblinka? Let's have a name and link.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 22, 2022 15:23:56 GMT
Nessie wrote: What the hell does that have to do with Arad and Black claiming that nobody left Treblinka except a few escapees? That was the conventional wisdom, the official narrative of the day and it was bullshit. Same as Arad, CS-C, ARC et al. claiming that the M&H draglines both dug and stockpiled the ex from the 12X30X50 meter graves. Same as your idiotic claim that 2-3,000 cadavers were piled on a 1.5X30 meter grate and cremated with some imaginary wood. You are again weasel dodging that Speilberg and Lanzemann contradicted Arad and Black. So much so for a hoax. He posted on TSSF as "gaschamberhoax" and this was the thread about "Arad's Goof" about transfers out of TII; www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22854&hilit=MajdanekHis claims are dismantled throughout the thread. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 22, 2022 15:58:05 GMT
Nessie wrote: Spielberg wasn't conducting the interviews so he very well may not have known that his film crews had dug up information that contradicted the official story line. Now, who was the interviewee in the Lanzmann film who said that deportees had been transited through Treblinka? Specifically, where is Hunt's claim that able bodied men and women were transported from Treblinka to other work camps/sites dismantled? Then we have from you right on the first page of your link: So, as of 2014, neither you nor Arad and Black accepted that Jews were transported out of Treblinka to alternate destinations.
Edit. What a hoot! Apparently the Klowns are wildly claiming that what Hunt shows about Jews transiting through Treblinka is a lie without watching the video. At any rate, I did get a complete list of witnesses from the Klowns. There were 20 who testified to transiting through Treblinka so there would have been at least 15-20 trains that left Treblinka for which there are NO records. My estimate of 10-12 trains was off the mark, mea culpa. Why are there no records of those trains, Nessie?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 22, 2022 17:04:13 GMT
Nessie wrote: Spielberg wasn't conducting the interviews so he very well may not have known that his film crews had dug up information that contradicted the official story line. Now, who was the interviewee in the Lanzmann film who said that deportees had been transited through Treblinka? How would Speilberg not be part of the hoax? He was filming about the Holocaust, his work was going to attract a lot of interest, so if there was a hoax, someone would have made sure he towed the line. Here are the Lanzemann film interviewees www.ushmm.org/online/film/docs/shoahstatus.pdfI realise now that his interviews were with Nazis and Polish railworkers, not anyone transited through TII, so my mistake. Hunt got all of his interviews from the Speilberg filming. The numerous references to Shoah, is why I thought they were from Lanzemann. I said "transited", meaning there is no evidence of TII being a transit camp. I did not know about those smaller worker selection transports until Hunt's video. Until every archive has been searched and it is confirmed that there are no records, then your claim there are no records is unevidenced speculation. You are deflecting from the non existent evidence TII was a transit camp. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 22, 2022 18:06:21 GMT
Spielberg made the movie, "Swindler's List" so he's part of the hoax. How he effed up with the Treblinka deportees and let that cat out of the bag is unknown. As I said, probably because his film/interview crew who did the interviews didn't realize the importance of what the witnesses were saying. After Hunt got into the film archive it was too late to do anything about it.
You were mistaken about witnesses from the Lanzmann film saying that deportees were transited through Treblinka. Well done for admitting your mistake.
So, until you viewed Hunt's video you agreed with both Arad and Black that nobody but the escapees left Treblinka alive. At that time, 2016, that was the official narrative. Now, where in that 66 page thread is Hunt's claim that only the old, the very young and the infirm were gassed at Treblinka refuted? He made that claim right at the beginning of his screed where he pledged allegiance to the holyhoax so who refuted it?
At this moment in time, no records of the trains carrying passengers exist. Claiming that it's a speculation based on what may happen in the future is bullshit. At this moment in time, interstellar travel is impossible. It may happen in the future but that has nothing to do with what is possible now.
There's plenty of evidence that Treblinka wasn't an extermination facility. From the harebrained claims of the witnesses to the lack of any physical evidence and the testimony of the witnesses in Hunt's video, Treblinka wasn't a "death camp".
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