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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 3:42:26 GMT
From the ADL: www.adl.org/blog/eric-hunt-unveils-new-film-plans-for-virtual-holocaust-denial-museum?_ga=1.109266821.1069729721.1487629352You are apparently claiming that Hunt took clips from Lanzmann's film, Shoah. Hunt got his film clips from USC, the "University of Southern California". Spielberg the Jew funded the "Visual History and Education" department at USC.
Nessie wrote: What the hell does that have to do with the maintenance of records after the war? You claim that the Germans destroyed their own records. Why would they destroy the records of Jews being sent to Majdanek via Treblinka? All of those records were apparently destroyed save one that showed the transport of 451 (351?) Jews to Majdanek that corroborated one of the witnesses from Hunt's video. It's known that 15-20,000 Jews WERE transited through Treblinka so why would Germans destroy exculpatory evidence? Oh well, makes about as much sense as anything else you claim. |
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Post by been_there on Feb 18, 2022 7:26:49 GMT
TII was closed down and covered over long before the Soviets arrived, it was the Nazis who were trying to hide what had happened there. Plus refuses to learn or be corrected. E.g. this person refuses to accept the well-known Soviet photographic evidence showing T2 was not completely destroyed and โcovered over long before the Soviets arrivedโ.This fact and the evidence proving it has been shown to him numerous times, alas to no avail.  |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 10:46:01 GMT
I stand corrected. However, the evidence of transports from TII was known from before that, with survivors used in the Shoah film. Mattogno found records of transports from TII and Belzec of workers, so not all records were destroyed. All known records from TII itself were destroyed, because it was a death camp. Globocnik told Himmler in 1944 about the AR camp sites; www.holocaustresearchproject.org/economics/arbalancesheet.html"The equipment which was provided for this action from seized goods, which however are to be considered as Reich property, have been removed completely. For reasons of surveillance in each camp a small farm was created which is occupied by an expert. An income must regularly be paid to him so that he can maintain the small farm." Those guards occupied the few buildings left at the sites, such as the Sobibor Commander's house that is still there. They fled as the Soviets approached and that is when the grave robbing started. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 13:19:33 GMT
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Your correction is noted and appreciated. Now, let's see the train records of Jews transported from Treblinka to other destinations.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 13:38:08 GMT
Nessie wrote: Your correction is noted and appreciated. Now, let's see the train records of Jews transported from Treblinka to other destinations. You have seen the Warsaw record.
It is Fahrplananordnung Nr. 548. There are other Fahrplananordnung relating to ghetto transports used to construct the Trebinka timelines of transports, but I do not speak German to see how many also include return journeys to the ghettos
I have pointed out that if Warsaw was shuttling trains to TII, then it stands to reason as other ghettos emptied, they also shuttled trains. The other location of records is the Majdanek archive, which is not online, that I know of. Mattogno has said he found records there of transports from TII and then there is the witness and circumstantial evidence of AR, whereby trains left TII carrying property to go to Lublin for storage and sorting. Here is a "Waybill transport of clothes from Treblinka to Lublin"
Warsaw accounts for 30%, the rest, in particular Majdanek and Lublin (Majdanek was the second largest camp after A-B and was located in Lublin) will account for a good proportion of the rest of outbound destinations from TII.
So, stop weasel dodging and explain how c840-860,000 Jews left TII, when so many trains left TII empty, carrying property or carrying some workers to other camps?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 14:19:52 GMT
You DON'T have the train schedules. You DON'T know where those trains went after they delivered Jews to Treblinka. Come back when you have the records. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke and bullshit. Sell your mindless suppositions down the street.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 14:33:53 GMT
You DON'T have the train schedules. You DON'T know where those trains went after they delivered Jews to Treblinka. Come back when you have the records. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke and bullshit. Sell your mindless suppositions down the street. There is the schedule for Warsaw, where all of those trains returned empty. In July to August 1942 nearly 200,000 people were transported from Warsaw to TII on trains that returned empty. How did they leave TII?
I have shown you secondary sources of evidence and where primary evidence is located, of transports from TII to Lublin and Majdanek of property and occasional transports of people.
I have shown you some Fahrplananordnung relating to transports from other ghettos to TII, that like Warsaw may have been trains shuttling back and forth and how like Warsaw, those ghettos were being emptied.
You are persisting in your cry of no evidence, when there is evidence, to weasel dodge that you have no evidence of regular mass transports back out of the camp and that at least 30% of trains left TII empty, which leave you with nearly 200,000 people you claim left, on empty trains, to go back to where they came from.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 15:00:37 GMT
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 15:30:36 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-C0509-0049-012,_KZ,_Fahrplananordnung.jpg
"No file by this name exists."
What trains?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 15:32:24 GMT
You DON'T have the train schedules. You DON'T know where those trains went after they delivered Jews to Treblinka. Come back when you have the records. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke and bullshit. Sell your mindless suppositions down the street. There is the schedule for Warsaw, where all of those trains returned empty. In July to August 1942 nearly 200,000 people were transported from Warsaw to TII on trains that returned empty. How did they leave TII?
I have shown you secondary sources of evidence and where primary evidence is located, of transports from TII to Lublin and Majdanek of property and occasional transports of people.
I have shown you some Fahrplananordnung relating to transports from other ghettos to TII, that like Warsaw may have been trains shuttling back and forth and how like Warsaw, those ghettos were being emptied.
You are persisting in your cry of no evidence, when there is evidence, to weasel dodge that you have no evidence of regular mass transports back out of the camp and that at least 30% of trains left TII empty, which leave you with nearly 200,000 people you claim left, on empty trains, to go back to where they came from.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 16:44:16 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-C0509-0049-012,_KZ,_Fahrplananordnung.jpg "No file by this name exists." What trains? I have updated the link. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 17:22:52 GMT
Translation? You have the rest of the schedules for the 70%? Where's the schedules for the known three trains that transported deportees to the Lublin district and A-B?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 17:33:59 GMT
Translation? You have the rest of the schedules for the 70%? Where's the schedules for the known three trains that transported deportees to the Lublin district and A-B? As I find more evidence of destinations from TII, I will post it.
Back to what you are weasel dodging.
Over 4 weeks in July - August 1942, the Warsaw shuttle train sent nearly 200,000 people to TII, on trains that returned empty. What happened to them?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 17:49:50 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Damfino. Other than the shuttle trains where's the schedules for empty trains leaving Treblinka?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 17:57:00 GMT
Nessie wrote: Damfino. Other than the shuttle trains where's the schedules for empty trains leaving Treblinka? That nearly 200,000 arrived on trains that left empty is circumstantial evidence that fits with they were gassed, not resettled, which is why you are weasel dodging discussing that evidence in any detail.
I have shown you schedules for trains leaving TII to return to Lukow, Sedziszow, Szydlowiec and Kozienice. As I find more I will show them to you.
You are weasel dodging that trains returning to ghettos is circumstantial evidence that fits with those people were gassed, not resettled.
You have weasel dodged the evidence of trains leaving with property to go to Lublin. That also does not fit with a resettlement claim.
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