Nessie
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Post by Nessie on May 24, 2022 19:06:15 GMT
Documents relating specifically to Hoess; holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html- Order of Rudolf Höss of 5 January 1943 on “the solution of the Jewish question in Auschwitz” [Czech, Kalendarium, p. 845] - Letter from Karl Bischoff to Rudolf Höß of 12 February 1943 on the “sixth crematorium…an open incineration chamber with the dimension 48.75 x 3.76 m” [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 450] - Letter from Karl Bischoff to Rudolf Höß of 17 April 1943 on "the horse stable barracks erected at special unit II and at crematorium III are urgently needed for troop accommodation...After the operation of special unit II has stopped and the corresponding quarters by Crematorium III are available as well, information is requested as to when the barracks can be dismantled" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.139] - Order from Rudolf Höß of 20 April 1943 on “2 Jews escaped from the Sonderkommando” [Standort- und Kommandanturbefehle, p. 251] |
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Post by Turnagain on May 24, 2022 19:50:02 GMT
Jeff wrote:
'Cause you're full of more sh!t than a Christmas goose, Jeff, and your supporting evidence and documents for Hoess' "confession" are horse frocky. In an actual court of law instead of a show trial there wouldn't have been any Hoess confession.
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 24, 2022 21:08:59 GMT
Jeff wrote: 'Cause you're full of more sh!t than a Christmas goose, Jeff, and your supporting evidence and documents for Hoess' "confession" are horse frocky. In an actual court of law instead of a show trial there wouldn't have been any Hoess confession. Oh, sure. But Hoess wasn’t at the IMT as a defendant but as a witness for the defense. He also testified in person so this wasn’t about his confession but his actual testimony. Oh, during that testimony he directly disputed several allied points about the camps (violence against inmates, why their health was so poor) and disputed Soviet calculations about how many died in the camp. Moreover the IMT avoided a lot of witness testimony in favor of documents. So it wasn’t solely about Hoess and his testimony. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 24, 2022 21:11:14 GMT
Jeff wrote: Jeff displays his exceptional psychic powers by defining what I will or won't do. Way to go, Jeff. Good to see that you agree with Hilberg that the order to commence the holyhoax was given telepathically. Oh, come on, Turnagain. I could show you explicit documents all day long and whatever you couldn’t BS you would screech they were forgeries. You and I both know this. |
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Post by Turnagain on May 24, 2022 21:36:20 GMT
Jeff(numbers) wrote:
Why didn't I think of that? Of course that makes the torture of Hoess and his so-called confession admissible evidence. Well, at least in a show trial. In a legal court? Not so much.
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Post by Turnagain on May 24, 2022 21:43:31 GMT
Jeff(numbers) wrote:
Jeff once again puts his psychic powers on display. Jeff and his good buddy Hilberg are a real pair to draw to. How about posting an "explicit document"? Go for Hitler's order to commence the holyhoax and begin mass murdering the Jews.
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Post by Nazgûl on May 24, 2022 21:46:19 GMT
Hoess said he got the number from the conveniently absent Eichmann meaning he didn’t come up with it on his own. He was the Commandant of the camp while Eichmann was hundreds of miles away being the uncool administrator he was. It is Höß that would have the knowledge of his own camp not some mindless bureaucrat who was only concerned with transportation. It is ridiculous to suggest that the Gestapo and railway staff would know the numbers in the transports but not the destination commander. Höß also made it clear that those killed were "unfit to work" not just because they were juden. This sounds very much like Aktion 14f13 to me; the extermination of the invalids not the jews. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 24, 2022 22:39:15 GMT
Jeff(numbers) wrote: Jeff once again puts his psychic powers on display. Jeff and his good buddy Hilberg are a real pair to draw to. How about posting an "explicit document"? Go for Hitler's order to commence the holyhoax and begin mass murdering the Jews. You seriously have nothing to offer, Turnagain. You say the same things over and over again. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 24, 2022 22:40:42 GMT
Jeff(numbers) wrote: Why didn't I think of that? Of course that makes the torture of Hoess and his so-called confession admissible evidence. Well, at least in a show trial. In a legal court? Not so much. Turnagain, did Hoess testify? Yes or no? |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 24, 2022 23:04:48 GMT
He was the Commandant of the camp while Eichmann was hundreds of miles away being the uncool administrator he was. An administrator with intimate knowledge of deportations, particularly in the case of Hungary. Eichmann had an overall view that Hoess lacked. Or Hoess simply decided to throw more responsibility for what happened at the conveniently absent Eichmann. Even when Hoess lowered the numbers in his memoirs he still said that these were numbers relayed to him by Eichmann. But at no point did Hoess ever give the exaggerated number put out by the Soviets. Eichmann was hardly mindless. That also doesn’t make any sense. Transportation is vitally important, particularly when the SS needed to coordinate these transports with military and civilian traffic. But they would definitely know, so Eichmann did have a great deal of access to those numbers. The Gestapo wasn’t the primary driver behind deportations. There weren’t that many of them. Depending on the country the Germans used native police departments to handle collection and transport with the Order Police guarding transports in places like Poland. The Security Police helped in Hungary, etc. The Reich Ministry of Transport handled schedules and coordination. No, he made it clear they were Jews. |
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