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Post by been_there on May 20, 2022 10:56:13 GMT
been-there wrote: All premised on the notion that Hoess was just "bad with dates". First we have to start with a mindless assumption and then everything else flows from that. A more educated Nessie style rebuttal. Gibson is pissing in the wind. All attempts at genuine critcal re-evaluation are just pissing in the wind with the current generation of qualified historians. Too much is at stake for them to concede what a crock it all is. Perhaps some courageous soul will publically concede once they have retired and can’t be punished economically. But that is unlikely as reputation is just as important as economic survival. Here is part of Nick-and-the-numbers first reply: Which appears to be a variation on Hilberg’s desperately ludicrous ‘telepathy’ explanation: ... ... ... In response to Gibson’t first demolition of Nick’s cultish regurgitation of the deeply flawed narrative, Nick defends himself with this: Nick has clearly never served in the military. He demonstrates yet again how detached from the reality of war the defence of this H atrocity propaganda has become. These H-cult believers seem to think that military personel during war do not risk courtmartial and punishment if they don’t obey orders. 🙄
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Post by Nessie on May 20, 2022 19:16:16 GMT
..... I remember one conversation with clearly the most intelligent of all of us in my department. I was relating what I was discovering about the obviously non-credible contradictions and inconsistencies — and now acknowledged falsities — in Höß’s Nuremberg testimony and interviews. He recognised the truth of what I was relating but defensively dismissed it by asking: “so what? You don’t think the Holocaust relies on just one witness testimony do you?”I replied that YES it DID back then in 1946. ... Wrong. The evidence from the Topf & Sons engineers was known by 1946 and they all admitted to knowing the gas chambers they designed were for homicidal purposes. www.topfundsoehne.de/ts/en/exhibitions/permanent_exhibitions/the_engineers/128727.html"As was common practise, the Topf & Sons assembly teams attached their company nameplates to the incineration ovens they had installed. After the liberation of Buchenwald Concentration Camp on April 11, 1945, these nameplates led American investigators to Erfurt. They arrested Kurt Prüfer. Two weeks later, he had already been released and was back at work at Topf & Sons. In July 1945, Thuringia was declared part of the Soviet-occupied zone. In March 1946 four leading employees of Topf & Sons were arrested: Kurt Prüfer, Gustav Braun, Fritz Sander and Karl Schultze. Prüfer, whose key role in the creation of the "death factories" had already been established in May 1945 by the Soviet investigating committee in Auschwitz, was interrogated in Berlin and Moscow. There were also trials of Auschwitz camp personnel in 1945-6, staff who had fled A-B and were working at other camps in 1945. www.auschwitz.org/en/history/the-ss-garrison/trials-of-ss-men-from-the-auschwitz-concentration-camp-garrison/" SS men from the Auschwitz garrison were tried before American, British, and French military tribunals in the late 1940s as part of the trials of garrisons from other concentration camps. Auschwitz II commandant Josef Kramer, Auschwitz I and Birkenau women’s camp director Franz Hössler, and female SS overseers Irma Grese and Elisabeth Volkenrath were sentenced to death at the trial of the Bergen-Belsen garrison in 1945. For their part, the British sentenced 2 Auschwitz doctors to death in 1946 at the trial of the Neuengamme Concentration Camp garrison. In 1945, an American military tribunal sentenced Auschwitz III-Monowitz director Vinzenz Schöttl and Birkenau crematorium boss Otto Moll to death at the trial of the Dachau garrison. The Americans also passed death sentences on SS doctors Helmuth Vetter and Friedrich Entress at the trial of the Mauthausen Concentration Camp garrison, and Auschwitz II-Birkenau men’s camp director Johann Schwarzhuber at the trial of the FKL Ravensbrück staff. A French Military Tribunal sentenced Friedrich Hartjenstein, commander of the SS guard battalion and commandant of Auschwitz II-Birkenau Concentration Camp, and Heinrich Schwarz, commandant of Auschwitz III-Monowitz, to death at the trial of the Natzweiler garrison in 1946."
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 23, 2022 16:55:15 GMT
I remember one conversation with clearly the most intelligent of all of us in my department. I was relating what I was discovering about the obviously non-credible contradictions and inconsistencies — and now acknowledged falsities — in Höß’s Nuremberg testimony and interviews. He recognised the truth of what I was relating but defensively dismissed it by asking: “so what? You don’t think the Holocaust relies on just one witness testimony do you?”I replied that YES it DID back then in 1946. I explained that those in the dock at Nuremburg had initially been doubting the allegations. Their doubt was destroyed by Höß’s appearance as a defence witness for Kaltenbrunner. And that forever after, Höß’s coerced confession was referred to, to convince any other doubters both there at Nuremberg and worldwide. My work-colleague didn’t like hearing that, looked visibly annoyed and chose to disregard this fact. I.e. he experienced the emotional discomfort we all experience when having our internal map of reality contradicted by external reality. I.e. cognitive dissonance. You should send this person to Skeptics. We’ll get him sorted out, lord knows he’s not going to get that from you. Actually it’s rather easy. You won’t see it that way because you can’t. Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. He smudges the timing but not the specific details. Why he smudged the timing is a matter of speculation (undoubtedly you would say he was signaling to future truth warriors) but he didn’t fudge very important details that lead to the correct interpretation of the Auschwitz documents. He also didn’t fudge details confirmed by Action Reinhard witnesses. Now, Gibson’s arguments center around the CT BS indulged by certain warriors of the truth who attach themselves to a certain conspiracy centered around what happened to European Jews during WW II. All that is pure speculation (his interrogators fed him the information, he picked it up through news reports, etc., etc.).[/quote]
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Post by Nazgûl on May 23, 2022 22:11:45 GMT
Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. If Gibson has something to say he can certainly come here; the only real rebuttal of Gibson is abuse. Dr Terry does his best to smother everything with intellectual smog, a deluded smugness which can only come from Jewish genes. True intellects clarify material, Dr Terry does the opposite. A Gestapo officer was ordered to shoot a POW escapee from Stalag Luft III; one officer said if he did not do this deed he would have been shot himself. He was hanged anyhow when caught. Orders in the German system were to be obeyed. At Nuremberg Höß said: It is clear that this is a false confession and not a matter of a mistake in detail. The current plaque at Auschwitz claims only a million and a half people were "murdered" at that place. Of course we all know the original plaque had the figure at 4 million. From this one can conclude that the testimony of the Kommandant was false in its entirety; his testimony fits in with the Soviet propaganda.
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 23, 2022 23:03:06 GMT
Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. If Gibson has something to say he can certainly come here; the only real rebuttal of Gibson is abuse. If it comforts you to think that you are certainly welcome to believe it. I give Gibson credit for hanging in there, boy got some backbone.  Dr. Terry’s forgotten more about this subject than I currently know. He certainly knows more than you. Does that ever get boring? Defaulting to the Jewish thing? Except that it doesn’t. Hoess never said four million died at Auschwitz, he said there were limits to Auschwitz’s destructive capabilities. Hoess in his memoirs also gave a corrected number that actually comes very close to what it is right now. So Hoess didn’t just deny 4 million once, he did it twice.
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Post by Nazgûl on May 24, 2022 0:47:01 GMT
- I give Gibson credit for hanging in there, boy got some backbone.
- Does that ever get boring? Defaulting to the Jewish thing?
- Hoess never said four million died at Auschwitz, he said there were limits to Auschwitz’s destructive capabilities. Hoess in his memoirs also gave a corrected number that actually comes very close to what it is right now. So Hoess didn’t just deny 4 million once, he did it twice.
- This is because he is right most of the time; he exposes you lot for what you really are.
- The good doctor is "jude"; his opinions are viewed and formed within that context. What he knows is made up, much like "flippers" fantasies. Dr Terry's hypothetical constructs have little basis in reality and he knows it.
- The two items above are off topic. I will quote again what Höß said in his affidavit made at Nuremberg on 5 April 1946:
He is out by a factor of 100%, which is not just an error of judgement or a small mistake.
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Post by Turnagain on May 24, 2022 4:30:41 GMT
What is truly laughable is that Hoess willingly made a voluntary confession. His interrogator, Bernard Clarke, declared that it took three days to get a "coherent statement" from him. The guards described how they used axe handles to "prod him" (read beat the sh!t out of him) to prevent him from going to sleep. Nobody seems to care that sleep deprivation is a known torture technique. Hoess was also forced to "exercise" in freezing cold temperatures wearing only trousers and a cotton shirt. Lastly, we shouldn't forget the photo of Hoess with blood on his face.
Jeff and his fellow Jews at the Klown's forum all agree though that torturing a goy, especially a GERMAN goy is perfectly acceptable for developing documents and evidence of their eternal victimhood. "See what the eeevul German Narzis did to us?" The Germans wanted the Jews out of Europe and the post war lies and actions of Jews is proof that the Germans had damn good reasons for wanting that.
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Post by Nazgûl on May 24, 2022 7:03:20 GMT
Jeff and his fellow Jews at the Klown's forum all agree though that torturing a goy, especially a GERMAN goy is perfectly acceptable for developing documents and evidence of their eternal victimhood. "See what the eeevul German Narzis did to us?" The Germans wanted the Jews out of Europe and the post war lies and actions of Jews is proof that the Germans had damn good reasons for wanting that. I do not think it was the beatings but the pressure put on him due to his son Karl being in hands of the British Jews. It was that which caused Mrs Hoess to dob her old man in to the Brits.
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Post by Nessie on May 24, 2022 8:49:18 GMT
Hoess should not have been treated the way he was. But, his main claims are corroborated by evidence independent of him.
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Post by been_there on May 24, 2022 9:00:17 GMT
...been-there lied to his workmate by claiming Hoess was the only witness in 1946. More staggeringly idiotic miscomprehension. 😮🤦♂️ I have NEVER “claimed Höß was the only witness in 1946”. I did not and still do not believe that. I did not tell my work colleague that. And I did not just write that I did. 
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