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Post by Charles Traynor on Feb 10, 2022 19:11:56 GMT
Discuss the Höß testimony here.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 22:51:00 GMT
Discuss Rudolf Höß testimony here.
which hoss are we talking about? I know of about two |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 10, 2022 22:58:32 GMT
What's to discuss? The poor bastard was tortured into giving his so-called "confession". The guards openly bragged about his sleep deprivation and how they "prodded him with axe handles" to keep him awake. IOW, he got the [excrement] beat out of him for falling asleep. The Jew head interrogator bragged that it took three (3) days to "get a coherent story" from him.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 23:01:44 GMT
What's to discuss? The poor bastard was tortured into giving his so-called "confession". The guards openly bragged about his sleep deprivation and how they "prodded him with axe handles" to keep him awake. IOW, he got the [excrement] beat out of him for falling asleep. The Jew head interrogator bragged that it took three (3) days to "get a coherent story" from him. Sgt Bernard Clark I believe, how curious is it that a Jewish sergeant would be placed here, given the minority status of Jews in the British army and society. Suddenly this guy is in the right place and the right time. Its fascinating, Jews are historically nowhere in the British army. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 10, 2022 23:11:31 GMT
Indeed, it was just a happy cohencidence that Clark just happened to be in the right place at the right time to torture a confession out of Hoess.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 23:45:08 GMT
Indeed, it was just a happy cohencidence that Clark just happened to be in the right place at the right time to torture a confession out of Hoess. Seriously though, the incidence of jews in the army....my god...and not to mention the tone and attitude of an actual British soldier daring to brag about torture. |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Feb 11, 2022 18:39:46 GMT
Indeed, it was just a happy cohencidence that Clark just happened to be in the right place at the right time to torture a confession out of Hoess. Seriously though, the incidence of jews in the army....my god...and not to mention the tone and attitude of an actual British soldier daring to brag about torture. Sgt Clarke was a nasty piece of work but not half as nasty as his coreligionist Captain Hanns Alexander who commanded the arrest operation. In general British soldiers do not engage in or boast of taking part in torture during peacetime. It should not be forgotten that while Sgt Clarke may have held British citizenship and worn its uniform his racial heritage was Jewish. Hann’s Alexander was born in Germany and after the National Socialist government was lawfully elected into power he chose to leave and settle in Britain. Despite many years passing before the war between Britain and Germany his bitter hatred of Germany and the German people never faded even one iota. |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Feb 11, 2022 18:50:00 GMT
The Höss arrest saga is old news to many here. I am posting the following pages from Hanns and Rudolf in an effort to help holohoax noobies and casual surfers understand Höss's statment was made under duress whilst being tortured and should therefore be considered tainted. Because Höss's statement was such an important building block of the 6M gassed and burned legend exterminationists simply ignore how the statement was obtained. Their willingness to put complete faith in such a dubious document exposes a serious lack of objectivity on their part. Then again should we really expect more from court historians and delusional death cultists?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 12, 2022 0:54:58 GMT
Discuss the Höß testimony here. s
And that, folks, is the "document" and the subsequent statements that are the anchor of the holyhoax. I especially liked the Zyklon B being thrown through some holes in the walls of the original farmhouse gas chambers and the cadavers being removed after 30 minutes and how Hoess visited Treblinka in the spring of 42 when he was told that 80,000 victims had been gassed in the first six months of its operation. I'm sure that Nessie can straighten all of that out with a few "mistakes" and "exaggerations". |
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Post by Turnagain on May 20, 2022 8:23:59 GMT
been-there wrote:
All premised on the notion that Hoess was just "bad with dates". First we have to start with a mindless assumption and then everything else flows from that. A more educated Nessie style rebuttal. Gibson is pissing in the wind.
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Post by been_there on May 20, 2022 10:56:13 GMT
been-there wrote: All premised on the notion that Hoess was just "bad with dates". First we have to start with a mindless assumption and then everything else flows from that. A more educated Nessie style rebuttal. Gibson is pissing in the wind. All attempts at genuine critcal re-evaluation are just pissing in the wind with the current generation of qualified historians. Too much is at stake for them to concede what a crock it all is. Perhaps some courageous soul will publically concede once they have retired and can’t be punished economically. But that is unlikely as reputation is just as important as economic survival. Here is part of Nick-and-the-numbers first reply: Which appears to be a variation on Hilberg’s desperately ludicrous ‘telepathy’ explanation: ... ... ... In response to Gibson’t first demolition of Nick’s cultish regurgitation of the deeply flawed narrative, Nick defends himself with this: Nick has clearly never served in the military. He demonstrates yet again how detached from the reality of war the defence of this H atrocity propaganda has become. These H-cult believers seem to think that military personel during war do not risk courtmartial and punishment if they don’t obey orders. 🙄 |
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Post by Nessie on May 20, 2022 19:16:16 GMT
..... I remember one conversation with clearly the most intelligent of all of us in my department. I was relating what I was discovering about the obviously non-credible contradictions and inconsistencies — and now acknowledged falsities — in Höß’s Nuremberg testimony and interviews. He recognised the truth of what I was relating but defensively dismissed it by asking: “so what? You don’t think the Holocaust relies on just one witness testimony do you?”I replied that YES it DID back then in 1946. ... Wrong. The evidence from the Topf & Sons engineers was known by 1946 and they all admitted to knowing the gas chambers they designed were for homicidal purposes. www.topfundsoehne.de/ts/en/exhibitions/permanent_exhibitions/the_engineers/128727.html"As was common practise, the Topf & Sons assembly teams attached their company nameplates to the incineration ovens they had installed. After the liberation of Buchenwald Concentration Camp on April 11, 1945, these nameplates led American investigators to Erfurt. They arrested Kurt Prüfer. Two weeks later, he had already been released and was back at work at Topf & Sons. In July 1945, Thuringia was declared part of the Soviet-occupied zone. In March 1946 four leading employees of Topf & Sons were arrested: Kurt Prüfer, Gustav Braun, Fritz Sander and Karl Schultze. Prüfer, whose key role in the creation of the "death factories" had already been established in May 1945 by the Soviet investigating committee in Auschwitz, was interrogated in Berlin and Moscow. There were also trials of Auschwitz camp personnel in 1945-6, staff who had fled A-B and were working at other camps in 1945. www.auschwitz.org/en/history/the-ss-garrison/trials-of-ss-men-from-the-auschwitz-concentration-camp-garrison/" SS men from the Auschwitz garrison were tried before American, British, and French military tribunals in the late 1940s as part of the trials of garrisons from other concentration camps. Auschwitz II commandant Josef Kramer, Auschwitz I and Birkenau women’s camp director Franz Hössler, and female SS overseers Irma Grese and Elisabeth Volkenrath were sentenced to death at the trial of the Bergen-Belsen garrison in 1945. For their part, the British sentenced 2 Auschwitz doctors to death in 1946 at the trial of the Neuengamme Concentration Camp garrison. In 1945, an American military tribunal sentenced Auschwitz III-Monowitz director Vinzenz Schöttl and Birkenau crematorium boss Otto Moll to death at the trial of the Dachau garrison. The Americans also passed death sentences on SS doctors Helmuth Vetter and Friedrich Entress at the trial of the Mauthausen Concentration Camp garrison, and Auschwitz II-Birkenau men’s camp director Johann Schwarzhuber at the trial of the FKL Ravensbrück staff. A French Military Tribunal sentenced Friedrich Hartjenstein, commander of the SS guard battalion and commandant of Auschwitz II-Birkenau Concentration Camp, and Heinrich Schwarz, commandant of Auschwitz III-Monowitz, to death at the trial of the Natzweiler garrison in 1946." |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 23, 2022 16:55:15 GMT
I remember one conversation with clearly the most intelligent of all of us in my department. I was relating what I was discovering about the obviously non-credible contradictions and inconsistencies — and now acknowledged falsities — in Höß’s Nuremberg testimony and interviews. He recognised the truth of what I was relating but defensively dismissed it by asking: “so what? You don’t think the Holocaust relies on just one witness testimony do you?”I replied that YES it DID back then in 1946. I explained that those in the dock at Nuremburg had initially been doubting the allegations. Their doubt was destroyed by Höß’s appearance as a defence witness for Kaltenbrunner. And that forever after, Höß’s coerced confession was referred to, to convince any other doubters both there at Nuremberg and worldwide. My work-colleague didn’t like hearing that, looked visibly annoyed and chose to disregard this fact. I.e. he experienced the emotional discomfort we all experience when having our internal map of reality contradicted by external reality. I.e. cognitive dissonance. You should send this person to Skeptics. We’ll get him sorted out, lord knows he’s not going to get that from you. Actually it’s rather easy. You won’t see it that way because you can’t. Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. He smudges the timing but not the specific details. Why he smudged the timing is a matter of speculation (undoubtedly you would say he was signaling to future truth warriors) but he didn’t fudge very important details that lead to the correct interpretation of the Auschwitz documents. He also didn’t fudge details confirmed by Action Reinhard witnesses. Now, Gibson’s arguments center around the CT BS indulged by certain warriors of the truth who attach themselves to a certain conspiracy centered around what happened to European Jews during WW II. All that is pure speculation (his interrogators fed him the information, he picked it up through news reports, etc., etc.).[/quote] |
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Post by nazgul on May 23, 2022 22:11:45 GMT
Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. If Gibson has something to say he can certainly come here; the only real rebuttal of Gibson is abuse. Dr Terry does his best to smother everything with intellectual smog, a deluded smugness which can only come from Jewish genes. True intellects clarify material, Dr Terry does the opposite. A Gestapo officer was ordered to shoot a POW escapee from Stalag Luft III; one officer said if he did not do this deed he would have been shot himself. He was hanged anyhow when caught. Orders in the German system were to be obeyed. At Nuremberg Höß said: It is clear that this is a false confession and not a matter of a mistake in detail. The current plaque at Auschwitz claims only a million and a half people were "murdered" at that place. Of course we all know the original plaque had the figure at 4 million. From this one can conclude that the testimony of the Kommandant was false in its entirety; his testimony fits in with the Soviet propaganda. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on May 23, 2022 23:03:06 GMT
Hoess isn’t the only witness to any of this. He confirms very specific details matched by other witnesses. If Gibson has something to say he can certainly come here; the only real rebuttal of Gibson is abuse. If it comforts you to think that you are certainly welcome to believe it. I give Gibson credit for hanging in there, boy got some backbone.  Dr. Terry’s forgotten more about this subject than I currently know. He certainly knows more than you. Does that ever get boring? Defaulting to the Jewish thing? Except that it doesn’t. Hoess never said four million died at Auschwitz, he said there were limits to Auschwitz’s destructive capabilities. Hoess in his memoirs also gave a corrected number that actually comes very close to what it is right now. So Hoess didn’t just deny 4 million once, he did it twice. |
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