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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 10:51:49 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie continues his frantic weasel dodging. Nessie makes another asinine claim and is now forced to frantically weasel dodge even more. The search engine is your friend. The number of Jews drawing reparations is a matter of record of the German gov't. If 4.39 million weren't receiving reparation payments from the German gov't then how many were receiving reparations? Are you going to try to claim that no Jews ever got any reparations from Germany? Yes, it would seem so but all of the outbound train records have gone "poof" and disappeared. As I said, what a cohencidence. Uh-huh, only trains from Warsaw went to Treblinka. Nobody was sent to Treblinka unless they were from Warsaw. That's a non-starter from the git-go, Nessie. Besides, 70% of the outbound trains FROM TREBLINKA are unaccounted for. Where are the train records, Nessie?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 11:15:44 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie continues his frantic weasel dodging. What weasel dodging? You edit out where I point out that you cannot a name a single witness from inside the AR camps or AB Kremas who you say told anything truthful. That is your weasel dodging. Name someone who is presently an academic who agrees with your methodology of argument from incredulity. Failure to do so will be proof of your weasel dodging. You have chopped the quote to alter its context. You are weasel dodging that if c2.5 million people were not gassed, then it would be easy to find witnesses to what happened inside the AR camps and AB Kremas, out of the 4.39 people who have claimed reparations. You have weasel dodged my point that it is known millions of Jews survived WWII. It is not coincidence that outbound records have disappeared from TII, since the Nazis were hiding what happened there. What is not missing, are the ghetto records of transports to and from the AR camps, such as Thereseinstdat/TII, Lodz/Chelmno and Warsaw/TII, as ghettos were closed down and people were sent to the AR camps. I have just shown you where they are, they are in the other ghetto transport records. You do know that the Warsaw/TII transports were from the ghetto at Warsaw and it was emptied, mostly to TII? The same happened at numerous other ghettos, as they also emptied to TII and other AR camps. I showed you Thereseinstadt transports to TII. Trains shuttled back and forth to TII, for example, November 1942; memoryoftreblinka.org/timeline-of-treblinka-extermination-camp/"Liquidation of Kielbasin Sammellagger transit camp outside Grodno in the Bezirk Bialystok District, commencing deportation action of up to 28,000 Jews expelled and imprisoned at Kielbasin from 22 surrounding cities and towns of the two sub-districts including Sokolka. The transports arriving at Treblinka started on November 10, 1942 and continued until December 15 for over a month (they did not arrive in one day). The Jews brought for gassing in trains from Kielbasin originated from the following settlements: Goniฤ
dz, Trzcianne, Augustรณw, Grajewo, Rajgrรณd, Szczuczyn, Druskieniki, Jeziory, Lunna, Ostryna, Porzecze, Skidel, Sopockinie, Dฤ
browa, Indura, Janow, Krynki, Kuลบnica, Korycin, Odelsk, Sidra, Sokรณลka, Suchowola, and the Grodno Ghetto. Some 9,100 victims among them came from the Borgusze transit camp nearby." You weasel dodge that like Warsaw, those ghettos were being emptied, so like Warsaw, full trains were not being sent back. Fact is there is ample evidence, not just from ghetto records, but from witnesses and the Zabecki records, of empty trains leaving TII.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 13:47:01 GMT
Nessie wrote: LOL! Nessie is apparently claiming that there are no academics in Iran, Pakistan, India or any of the Moslem world who don't profess a belief in the holyhoax. That would be laughable if it weren't so pitifully ignorant. The fact is that academics in western Europe and North America will be fired by the Jew controlled Universities so Nessie tries to qualify his claim with "currently employed academic". Almost 4.5 million Jews making money directly off the holyhoax and the entire country of Israel fattening up off of money extorted from Germany and Nessie wonders why it's hard to find witnesses against the holyhoax. Actually there are some Jews who call out the hoax. Bobby Fischer for example but they're few and far between. If the Germans were hiding their misdeeds, why didn't they just alter the records instead of destroying them? Your idiotic speculation holds water like a colander. Nessie tries to blow smoke and bullshit. There are NO train records in your link. None. Zip, zero, nada. The bibliography reads like the invitation list to a bar mitzvah. Giddoutahere!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 16:09:11 GMT
Nessie wrote: LOL! Nessie is apparently claiming that there are no academics in Iran, Pakistan, India or any of the Moslem world who don't profess a belief in the holyhoax. That would be laughable if it weren't so pitifully ignorant. The fact is that academics in western Europe and North America will be fired by the Jew controlled Universities so Nessie tries to qualify his claim with "currently employed academic". Any academic who falls for the denier hoax would be fired, for falling for the denier hoax. Name a historian at a university anywhere in the world who teaches that there were no mass gassings during the Holocaust. You have clearly fallen hook, line and sinker for the conspiracy story of all Jews are liars and dishonest. If c2.5 million were not gassed, it would be easy to find witnesses to what did happen. What records? Since no there were no regular mass transports back out of the AR camps, there were no transport records to alter. The references and "Fahrplananordnung" show where the details for each transport came from. The Fahrplananordnung 548 is the Warsaw shuttle train record; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram#/media/File:Ostbahn_Krakau_shuttle_train_Warschau-Treblinka.jpgHere is the one for transports from the Radom district to Treblinka commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Timetable_to_Treblinka_from_Radom_district_September_1942.jpgThere are various ghetto transport records here; www.holocausthistoricalsociety.org.uk/contents/aktionreinhardt/aktionreinhardtdocuments.htmlThey prove mass transports to TII as the ghettos were being cleared. Those people were not being taken back to the ghettos they left, so where is your evidence they left after arriving at TII?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 4:31:30 GMT
Nessie makes the asinine claim that every employed history teacher in the entire world teaches that the holyhoax happened precisely as the Jews claim. I'll just leave that right there.
Nessie is back to declaring that train records don't exist for empty trains. Nessie's empty head can't seem to grasp that train schedules whether loaded or empty would be kept. Nessie tried the, "empty trains don't have records" schtick once before and now he's back at it again.
Yes, there are plenty of records for loaded trains arriving at Treblinka. Nobody denies that so that little straw-man fell apart. What ISN'T know is what happened to those trains after they reached Treblinka. Nessie is frantically trying to weasel dodge the fact that NO records exist for where ~70% of the trains that arrived at Treblinka went.
Obfuscation, smoke and bullshit, is Nessie's stock in trade.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 10:34:17 GMT
Nessie makes the asinine claim that every employed history teacher in the entire world teaches that the holyhoax happened precisely as the Jews claim. I'll just leave that right there. Nessie is back to declaring that train records don't exist for empty trains. Nessie's empty head can't seem to grasp that train schedules whether loaded or empty would be kept. Nessie tried the, "empty trains don't have records" schtick once before and now he's back at it again. You lie that there is no evidence of empty trains leaving TII and ignore that there really is no evidence of trains full of people leaving the camp on a regular basis. You do that a lot. You lie that I have no evidence, despite being shown and discussing the evidence I have and then you ignore your actual lack of evidence. Around 30% of the trains went back to Warsaw. Of the other 70%, large numbers also shuttled back and forth between ghettos and TII, as, like Warsaw, they were cleared. Others took property to Majdanek and some took people to labour camps in Poland, mainly Majdanek, but also Budzyn and Poinatowa. We have a lot of evidence as to where trains went when they left TII, but that does not suit your beliefs, so you lie that there is no evidence, so you can pretend there were lots of trains leaving full of people.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 11:58:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
We're not talking about your "everdence" Nessie. The subject is "train records" or rather the lack of them. Records for ~70% of the outbound trains from Treblinka can't be found. There is no doubt that they once existed but now they don't. Lost, destroyed, whatever, they no longer exist. Nessie is now claiming to have "everdence" of where the trains went but it's like his everdence for the missing 2,000-2,500 tons of cremains. A tiny amount of equivocal information and trainloads of "what ifs" and "couda woulda". You DON'T have any train records and your everdence is meaningless.
If that were the case then the dedicated trains would have been officially designated a shuttle service and records of that would exist. There is no record of outbound trains from Treblinka. Your speculation about their routing is just more of your self-serving bullshit.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 12:26:28 GMT
Nessie wrote: We're not talking about your "everdence" Nessie. The subject is "train records" or rather the lack of them. Records for ~70% of the outbound trains from Treblinka can't be found. There is no doubt that they once existed but now they don't. Lost, destroyed, whatever, they no longer exist. Nessie is now claiming to have "everdence" of where the trains went but it's like his everdence for the missing 2,000-2,500 tons of cremains. A tiny amount of equivocal information and trainloads of "what ifs" and "couda woulda". You DON'T have any train records and your everdence is meaningless. If that were the case then the dedicated trains would have been officially designated a shuttle service and records of that would exist. There is no record of outbound trains from Treblinka. Your speculation about their routing is just more of your self-serving bullshit.
That you accept 30% of trains left TII empty as the returned to Warsaw, means you have a huge problem you weasel dodge. From the 22nd July 1942 to the 19th August 1942, with one exception, the trains leaving TII left empty and returned to Warsaw. The exception is the Radom ghetto, which sent c30,000 to the camp. Where did all the Warsaw Jews go? Their trains left empty and they did not get on the Radom trains as that ghetto was also being emptied to TII.
So, stop weasel dodging and explain, with evidence, what happened to the Warsaw Jews in that 4 week period inside TII and how they left the camp.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 16, 2022 18:01:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: We're not talking about your "everdence" Nessie. The subject is "train records" or rather the lack of them. Records for ~70% of the outbound trains from Treblinka can't be found. There is no doubt that they once existed but now they don't. Lost, destroyed, whatever, they no longer exist. Nessie is now claiming to have "everdence" of where the trains went but it's like his everdence for the missing 2,000-2,500 tons of cremains. A tiny amount of equivocal information and trainloads of "what ifs" and "couda woulda". You DON'T have any train records and your everdence is meaningless. If that were the case then the dedicated trains would have been officially designated a shuttle service and records of that would exist. There is no record of outbound trains from Treblinka. Your speculation about their routing is just more of your self-serving bullshit.
That you accept 30% of trains left TII empty as the returned to Warsaw, means you have a huge problem you weasel dodge. From the 22nd July 1942 to the 19th August 1942, with one exception, the trains leaving TII left empty and returned to Warsaw. The exception is the Radom ghetto, which sent c30,000 to the camp. Where did all the Warsaw Jews go? Their trains left empty and they did not get on the Radom trains as that ghetto was also being emptied to TII.
So, stop weasel dodging and explain, with evidence, what happened to the Warsaw Jews in that 4 week period inside TII and how they left the camp.
Well, we can all agree that they were definitely not gassed at the AR camps.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 16, 2022 18:23:24 GMT
That you accept 30% of trains left TII empty as the returned to Warsaw, means you have a huge problem you weasel dodge. From the 22nd July 1942 to the 19th August 1942, with one exception, the trains leaving TII left empty and returned to Warsaw. The exception is the Radom ghetto, which sent c30,000 to the camp. Where did all the Warsaw Jews go? Their trains left empty and they did not get on the Radom trains as that ghetto was also being emptied to TII.
So, stop weasel dodging and explain, with evidence, what happened to the Warsaw Jews in that 4 week period inside TII and how they left the camp.
Well, we can all agree that they were definitely not gassed at the AR camps. OK< so what did happen inside the AR camps? Show your evidence from witnesses who worked there and documents pertaining to the camps and AR.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 16, 2022 18:31:17 GMT
Well, we can all agree that they were definitely not gassed at the AR camps. OK< so what did happen inside the AR camps? Show your evidence from witnesses who worked there and documents pertaining to the camps and AR. Mattogno shows that witness claims are both varied, impossible and do not match with the outlay of the camp. It was more like a transit camp therefore and the remains actually found were that of the gypsy camp that was there before.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 16, 2022 18:33:46 GMT
OK< so what did happen inside the AR camps? Show your evidence from witnesses who worked there and documents pertaining to the camps and AR. Mattogno shows that witness claims are both varied, impossible and do not match with the outlay of the camp. It was more like a transit camp therefore and the remains actually found were that of the gypsy camp that was there before. What AR camp was a gypsy camp? Show your evidence.
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 16, 2022 18:36:20 GMT
Mattogno shows that witness claims are both varied, impossible and do not match with the outlay of the camp. It was more like a transit camp therefore and the remains actually found were that of the gypsy camp that was there before. What AR camp was a gypsy camp? Show your evidence. Belzec. See Mattogno on Belzec. It explains the haphazardly buried nature of the soporified remains found.
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