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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 8:53:25 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie is back to trying to conflate lumber deliveries with firewood deliveries. Of course the Germans organized locally sourced lumber deliveries for constructing the camp. There are NO records of deliveries of firewood which is why witnesses such as Rajchman declared that twigs were used to "set the bodies alight" whereupon they merrily burned all by themselves. Water content of the cadavers be damned. Yes its reasonable that the nazis would require properly cut lumber to construct accommodations and offices. But that's about it. Are you suggesting that they could source lumber for construction, but not wood for fires?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 9:36:52 GMT
Between 15-20,000 deportees transited through Treblinka. Your speculation that the people who spoke of trainloads of deportees leaving Treblinka not knowing where they were is mindless bullshit.
Your reliance on the claims of Lukaszkiewcz who performed no tests to show human cremains and went on to say that the giant graves no longer existed at Treblinka is touching but hardly constitutes proof of anything.
It's claimed that the "digger" that dug the giant pits was used to exhume cadavers. Your claim that some kind of giant mystery machine dug the graves and exhumed the cadavers is ludicrous.
No, there's nothing to suggest that any bodies were totally cremated with the carbonized bones pulverized into cremains/ash "as fine as cigarette ash".
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 9:44:40 GMT
Between 15-20,000 deportees transited through Treblinka. Your speculation that the people who spoke of trainloads of deportees leaving Treblinka not knowing where they were is mindless bullshit. Quote Sam Kulawy and prove he was at TII. He found identifiable human remains and said that due to the scale of the cover up, the mass graves full of corpses were now a large area of ground containing cremated remains. Your claim that the Nazis could not find an excavator to dig a large pit, at a camp next to a quarry, is ludicrous. Cremated remains can still be found at the site nowadays. All of the evidence from witnesses and archaeological studies proves mass cremations.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 9:45:02 GMT
Nessie wrote:
In that case show some proof that the Germans bought and had shipped to Treblinka thousands of tons of firewood. Name some witnesses who claimed to have seen firewood being unloaded and used to cremate victims at Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 9:50:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: In that case show some proof that the Germans bought and had shipped to Treblinka thousands of tons of firewood. Name some witnesses who claimed to have seen firewood being unloaded and used to cremate victims at Treblinka. You are ignoring my question. I have previously answered yours. Your suggestion that because no witness mentions fire wood deliveries means there were no such deliveries, is logically flawed. Heinrich Matthes said about his time in TII "The corpses were piled on these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves." Wood was used to cremate the bodies.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 10:04:27 GMT
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Quote Sam Kulawy and prove that he WASN'T at Treblinka.
Lukaszkiewcz enumerated about 300 cadavers. He claimed to have found mixed human cremains and soil but that was just what he claimed. No specific tests were performed on the substance other than it was declared to "smell bad". He looked for a mass grave at a spot identified by Rajchman but found nada. No "disturbed ground" or the entire camp two dug up.
First Nessie claims that the draglines from T-I weren't used to dig the graves. A super machine of unknown type was brought in to dig the graves. Now he's apparently claiming that the M&H draglines from T-I WERE the machines that dug the graves.
Your tiny handful of unidentified bone shards are bullshit and you know it, Nessie. Small pieces of bone that show no identifying characteristics have to be examined under laboratory conditions to determine if they're of human origin and can't always be identified even then.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 10:11:13 GMT
Uh-huh, and how did you divine that the brushwood wasn't the wood that was doused with gasoline? You cherry pick one German who claimed that brushwood was used to cremate the cadavers and morph his statement into the brushwood being used as kindling to light the wood. What effing wood? Where did it come from and how did it get to Treblinka? Why wouldn't at least one witness mention the thousands of tons of wood that it would take to cremate 900,000 cadavers?
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 10:21:48 GMT
Yes its reasonable that the nazis would require properly cut lumber to construct accommodations and offices. But that's about it. Are you suggesting that they could source lumber for construction, but not wood for fires? Lumber is specifically cut and treated wood for construction, fire wood is cut from trees, then dried for best effect so its two different things.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 14:46:36 GMT
Nessie wrote: Quote Sam Kulawy and prove that he WASN'T at Treblinka. It is up to you to evidence your claim. You say he left TII, but you have not read his evidence, so how do you know? He found a 2 hectare area of mixed human and cremated remains, which at one point was 7m deep. Quote where you say he found "nada". Anyone can see you are dodging my point by making up a straw man argument. Your claim the Nazis could not dig large pits in a camp next to a quarry is ludicrous. That many people were buried at TII is evidenced by witnesses, the larger identifiably human bones and circumstantial evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 14:50:36 GMT
Uh-huh, and how did you divine that the brushwood wasn't the wood that was doused with gasoline? You cherry pick one German who claimed that brushwood was used to cremate the cadavers and morph his statement into the brushwood being used as kindling to light the wood. What effing wood? Where did it come from and how did it get to Treblinka? Why wouldn't at least one witness mention the thousands of tons of wood that it would take to cremate 900,000 cadavers? Matthes said "The corpses were piled on these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves." You cherry-pick brushwood and ignore he goes on to talk about wood. He is clearly referring to the use of brushwood and petrol to get the wood fire going.
It is ludicrous that you think the Germans could not work out how to source and transport wood to the AR camps and that transports of wood were so odd that people would stop and stare and think to marvel, when at the same time they are seeing hundreds of thousands of people killed.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 14:51:23 GMT
Are you suggesting that they could source lumber for construction, but not wood for fires? Lumber is specifically cut and treated wood for construction, fire wood is cut from trees, then dried for best effect so its two different things. I know that. Why are you suggesting the Nazis could organise deliveries of lumbar, but not firewood?
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 20:27:57 GMT
Lumber is specifically cut and treated wood for construction, fire wood is cut from trees, then dried for best effect so its two different things. I know that. Why are you suggesting the Nazis could organise deliveries of lumbar, but not firewood? These out and out liars, ie the inmate witnesses in told of forestry expeditions daily to get firewood. So its possible that indeed firewood was obtained for very limited purposes.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 12, 2022 8:55:52 GMT
Denier doubts that the Nazis could organise the delivery of wood for pyres is one of many examples of the stupidity of their arguments from incredulity.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 12, 2022 9:53:36 GMT
Denier doubts that the Nazis could organise the delivery of wood for pyres is one of many examples of the stupidity of their arguments from incredulity. Trying to claim that thousands of tons of firewood was shipped into Treblinka and not one, single, solitary person witnessed it, no inmate claimed to have worked unloading the wood and no records whatsoever of such freight deliveries exist goes beyond, "it strains credulity". Just for openers, where was the woodlot that the Germans used to store the wood brought to Treblinka?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 12, 2022 15:09:17 GMT
Denier doubts that the Nazis could organise the delivery of wood for pyres is one of many examples of the stupidity of their arguments from incredulity. Trying to claim that thousands of tons of firewood was shipped into Treblinka and not one, single, solitary person witnessed it, no inmate claimed to have worked unloading the wood and no records whatsoever of such freight deliveries exist goes beyond, "it strains credulity". Just for openers, where was the woodlot that the Germans used to store the wood brought to Treblinka? It is odd what you think "strains incredulity". No one commenting on shipments of wood into TII, does. No one commenting on the supposed transportation of hundreds of thousands of people back out of TII, does not. Your thinking is biazarre.
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