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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 18:15:39 GMT
If you're going to convince anyone that the holyhoax really happened you're going to have to come up with some seriously convincing proof and you can't do that. Repeating your tired mantras goes nowhere. I think the thread is to discuss what ridiculous claims the holocaust supporters will accept as truth. This is not a free for all on everything. Nessie has his own hole for that. We have established that digging a pit with an excavator is not a ridiculous claim, no matter how often Turnagain insists it is.
Germans engineering gas chambers, are also not ridiculous claims, especially when they kept the design simple and either used a captured engine or dropped Zyklon B through a hole.
Germans working out the most efficient form of pyre, using metal rails over some wood, like a scaled up BBQ, is also not exactly rocket science.
Incidentally, the Germans were also the world's top rocket scientists at that time, I know, ridiculous!
Then get this, the Germans also decided in 1942, to start cooperating with a hoax, whereby they would be blamed for gassings millions of Jews, by organising which one of them would admit to the gassings after the war and hiding the Jews they had supposedly gassed. Utter madness, but according to revisionism, that is what happened.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 18:32:06 GMT
It is widely accepted that c900,000 were... [blah, blah, blah]Yeah and it was โwidely acceptedโ for many thousands of years that a Hebrew tradesman walked on water, raised the dead, changed water into wine at weddings, cast spirits into flocks of swine so that they rushed over cliffs into water and drowned, was born of a mother who was a virgin, and... etc., etc., etc. To argue on the basis of โwidely acceptedโ is ignorant, rather desperate as it is obviously no proof of anything. It is a literally stupid argument. So what we have is another logically fallacious argument. This time a ridiculous appeal to the size of a mass-delusion and it is coming from a cultish, โbelieverโ mind-set that is in denial and must believe to defend the โbeliefโ however illogical and ridiculous it is. You need to learn the difference between something that is widely accepted, but not evidenced and something that is widely accepted because of the evidence.
After many years of gathering and studying evidence from documents and witnesses, the death tolls for gassings, not just at A-B, but elsewhere, are widely accepted by historians. Many in the media are lazy and just latch onto older figures. Revisionists just go with what they want to believe in and do not bother with evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 20:00:35 GMT
The posts above have been moved from this thread rodoh.info/post/3740/threadwhich asks how ridiculous must claims be before they should not be believed. Obviously, the ridiculousness of the denier claims of a massive hoax is too uncomfortable for the deniers to cope with, so the thread needs some censoring of those uncomfortable posts. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 6, 2022 19:41:01 GMT
Been-there, since you admit the gas chambers etc are physical possibilities, do you agree with the following? Digging a pit AS DESCRIBED BY THE ALLEGED EYEWITNESSES is ridiculous. Germans building gas chambers AS DESCRIBED BY THE ALLEGED EYEWITNESSES is ridiculous. Germans exhuming cadavers AS DESCRIBED BY THE ALLEGED EYEWITNESSES is ridiculous. Germans working out a grate system for cremating bodies AS DESCRIBED BY THE EYEWITNESSES is ridiculous. Nessie's excuses for the alleged eyewitnesses are ridiculous. It is the way the witnesses describe what they saw that makes the gassings etc too ridiculous to believe? |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 8, 2022 5:31:20 GMT
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The "witnesses" describe impossibilities. You make excuses for their lies.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 8, 2022 12:50:34 GMT
Nessie wrote: The "witnesses" describe impossibilities. You make excuses for their lies. You misinterpret the witnesses by taking them very literally and ignoring obvious use of hyperbole etc and then claim they all lied, without any evidence to prove they lied.
Your argument that only truthful witnesses describe how something works in a highly detailed, accurate, matter of fact way and make no mistakes, is wrong.
Your argument that because you do not believe the witness descriptions, therefore they are all liars, is the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity.
You have a unique way of dealing with witnesses, not shared by historians, the police, courts or any other genuine investigators.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 8, 2022 13:36:02 GMT
What the witnesses said is there for all to see. You make excuses for their obvious lies. Rajchman said that twigs the size of toothpicks were the fuel and another time claimed that brush was used as fuel. You can turn and squirm forever but that's what he said and it's an obvious lie. From 2,000-3,000 can't be cremated with twigs or brush. Wiernik mentioned no fuel at all. Others including the German, Gley, said that the bodies were the fuel for the cremations. Those are impossibilities and lies no matter how you try to excuse them.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 8, 2022 17:16:48 GMT
What the witnesses said is there for all to see. You make excuses for their obvious lies. Rajchman said that twigs the size of toothpicks were the fuel and another time claimed that brush was used as fuel. It was a Nazi, Heinrich Matthes, who said brushwood and he also said wood. If Rajchman said toothpicks, do you seriously claim he meant actual toothpicks? Or, do you accept, he was not being literal and we can interpret his claim as meaning not as much wood as expected was used? Again, do you literally think the Nazis got hold of a supply of toothpicks and used them? Which means you cannot claim he lied about the amount of wood used, since he did not say how much was used. Gley said "First a wood fire was kindled under the iron grate. During the course of the cremation operation the corpses later served as the only fuel." That is corroborated by multiple witnesses. The wood started the fire and then the bodies burned themselves. The Ohrdruf and Dresden pyres corroborate the AR pyres, where not as much as expected was enough to set bodies alight and cremate them, at least partially. Your claims about it not being possible are wrong. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 8, 2022 19:03:37 GMT
First off, Rajchman said "twigs the size of toothpicks" and also said that "brush" was used. Matthes said that "brushwood" was used. Neither did Gley say that the cadavers were set alight and then allowed to burn on their own. He said that LATER the cadavers served as the only fuel. Neither case is possible. You can't just set cadavers on fire and they will continue to burn on their own.
That, among other impossibilities, was what was SAID. People weren't disagreeing about the color of cars involved in an accident or whether the robber had a pistol or a revolver. They were in your face lying and you try to make excuses for those lies.
The Ohrdruf and Dresden burning of cadavers were nothing like what was claimed for Treblinka. The Treblinka cadavers were supposedly cremated and the carbonized bones pulverized into cremains. Same as with a modern crematorium where a small ball mill is used to pulverize the carbonized bones.
You, of course, will never admit that the cremation claims for Treblinka are a physical impossibility. For our guests who read these posts, that will be a different matter.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 8, 2022 19:14:56 GMT
Here is an example of Nessie trying to morph what was said into what was "meant". He wrote:
Rajchman said "twigs the SIZE of toothpicks". He didn't say that toothpicks were used to cremate the cadavers. Nessie is aware of that but is changing Rajchman's story in order to be able to claim that Rajchman wasn't speaking "literally". Such is life in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 8, 2022 19:26:27 GMT
First off, Rajchman said "twigs the size of toothpicks" and also said that "brush" was used. Are you seriously claiming that he was being literal and the twigs were the actual size of toothpicks? He also said wood. He said the wood was used to start the fire and then the bodies just burned on their own. The very similar pyres at Ohrdruf and Dresden are evidenced, so it stands to reason the AR camp pyres would work. You are trying to dismiss them with your illogical argument. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 8, 2022 19:30:26 GMT
Here is an example of Nessie trying to morph what was said into what was "meant". He wrote: Rajchman said "twigs the SIZE of toothpicks". He didn't say that toothpicks were used to cremate the cadavers. Nessie is aware of that but is changing Rajchman's story in order to be able to claim that Rajchman wasn't speaking "literally". Such is life in holyhoax la-la land. Rajchman said;
"They used to light the fire with some dry sticks like toothpicks. They would be lit with a regular match and placed beneath the furnace and fire would start slowly, but then it would burn with such an intensity, that 50 meters away from the furnace, it was impossible to stand. Until the morning everything was almost burned in the furnace.โ
He is describing the use of kindling to start the fire. That is how wood fires are started. Gley said the same, with brushwood used and then wood. That is normal for lighting any wood fire, light small stuff first.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 8, 2022 20:34:52 GMT
LMAO! Rajchman said that the twigs were placed under the cadavers and "that 50 meters away from the furnace, it was impossible to stand". Fify meters was the closest that anyone could come to the supposedly blazing bodies? Giddoutahere!
I suppose that you could take what Rajchman said and claim that the "twigs the size of toothpicks" were used to light the brush. You betcha, some brush kindled by twigs totally cremated 2-3,000 bodies. What could be more believable than that? Life in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 9, 2022 10:01:02 GMT
LMAO! Rajchman said that the twigs were placed under the cadavers and "that 50 meters away from the furnace, it was impossible to stand". Fify meters was the closest that anyone could come to the supposedly blazing bodies? Giddoutahere!
I suppose that you could take what Rajchman said and claim that the "twigs the size of toothpicks" were used to light the brush. You betcha, some brush kindled by twigs totally cremated 2-3,000 bodies. What could be more believable than that? Life in holyhoax la-la land.
Are you interpreting what he said to mean that only twigs the size of toothpicks were placed below the bodies and only those toothpicks set the bodies ablaze?
I interpret it what he said as lighting kindling, which then started a fire below the bodies, which then set the bodies on fire.
My interpretation takes into account that a literal interpretation is wrong and that what he is describing is how wood fires are lit. Light the small stuff first, the fire then spreads onto the larger stuff until it is ablaze.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 9, 2022 10:23:08 GMT
Nessie wrote:
You can't "set bodies on fire". Heat must be applied until the water in the body is dehydrated before the organic material can be burned.
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