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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 8:32:57 GMT
Ulios wrote: Anything that supports the holyhoax is true. Anything that questions the holyhoax narrative is false. The absurd is dismissed as, "just a mistake" or an "exaggeration". The evidenced narrative of the Nazis managed to construct gas chambers, dig huge mass graves and construct mass pyres is far less ridiculous than the revisionist claim of it has all been hoaxed. Ridiculous revisionist hoax claims include
- c2.5 million Jews saw what happened inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas and kept quiet that there were no gas chambers, such that to this day, no one ever came forward to reveal the truth
- starting in 1942, when the first reports of mass murder in chambers appeared, all of the Nazis cooperated with the hoax, and lied that gassings had happened - knowing that they were being accused of mass gassings, in 1944 the Nazis destroyed much of the evidence from the AR camps and A-B Kremas, rather than leave it as proof there were no gassings.
- Germans were incapable of building gas chambers, digging big pits and cremating on pyres. But they were able to fire rockets at England and build the best weapons and fortifications. - the Soviets, who failed to hoax the world about one massacre at Katyn, could maintain a hoax involving multiple sites and millions of people and still do so even after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 8:49:33 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nessie resorts to his "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" again. The Germans could have built lethal gas chambers but not hermetically sealed lethal gas chambers that used the exhaust from a captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent. The Germans could have dug the pits described by the alleged eyewitnesses but not with the equipment claimed by those eyewitnesses. The Germans could have cremated the Jews but not on the magic Jew barbeque.
IOW, men have been to space and the moon. The little boy hasn't rode his tricycle to space or the moon.
The Soviets created the holyhoax. The Jews ran with and maintained it. Actually, the Soviets accused the Germans of mass murder. In the 1970s the Jews created the "holocaust" with a capital "H".
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 9:09:37 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie resorts to his "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" again. The Germans could have built lethal gas chambers but not hermetically sealed lethal gas chambers that used the exhaust from a captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent. The Germans could have dug the pits described by the alleged eyewitnesses but not with the equipment claimed by those eyewitnesses. The Germans could have cremated the Jews but not on the magic Jew barbeque. IOW, men have been to space and the moon. The little boy hasn't rode his tricycle to space or the moon. Just because the way a witness describes something can be interpreted as physically impossible, does not therefore mean it is physically impossible. It is physically possible to build gas chambers that include hermetic sealing and a captured petrol engine. Your fallacious argument is ridiculous. The Polish Government in Exile in the UK, were the first to report mass murders at specific camps and they were not under Soviet influence. The Soviets did not create the Holocaust, instead they, along with all of the Allies investigated and concluded the claims made were correct. Since then all university history departments have continued with the investigations and they all still conclude it happened. Your claim that all of those governments and universities colluded to fake the Holocaust, is ridiculous. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 10:41:30 GMT
Nessie: An' I have EVIDENCE of hermetically sealed gas chambers an' the magic Jew barbeque. Suuuuuure you do.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:26:00 GMT
Uh-huh, nobody ever said anything about a hermetically sealed gas chamber or cremating thousands with twigs or brush. Nobody ever mentioned flammable blood or having their ears nailed to a wall, either. Oh, wait a minute.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 12:15:11 GMT
THE QUESTION: Is it possible for a man to walk hundreds of metres out from the shore on the water of a huge lake when its surface is disturbed by wind-swept, storm-tossed waves? Can a human being walk on water like that? What do you think? Is it believable that a person is able to produce multiple loaves of bread out of thin air, in front of multiple witnesses? How about the credibility of this: would you believe that a person could bring back to life someone who had been dead for a couple of weeks and make them get up and walk unaided out of their burial chamber, despite the dead personโs stinking, rotting corpse being wrapped tightly in bands of cloth like a mummy so walking in those bands wouldnโt be possible for a living person who hadnโt been dead for a fortnight? Do YOU believe a person could make such an impossible and extremely unlikely thing occur just by saying a few words from outside the burial chamber? Would you think these โstoriesโ are believable? Personal believability is not a credible method for determining if something physically possible or if it actually happened. People will believe the daftest of things. Evidence and what else was possible are the credible methods.
Your analogies are flawed, because it is possible to make the appearance of walking on water etc through trickery. The actuality is that such is not possible without such trickery.
What is alleged regarding gassings, mass graves and cremations is physically possible. It was physically possible for the Germans to have built gas chambers using engine exhaust fumes or modifying Kremas, and for them to dig large pits and to cremate on pyres using rails or in ovens.
The gas chambers, mass graves and cremations are all evidenced to have happened. That witnesses clearly exaggerated, used emotive descriptives, disagreed about the workings, made mistakes, misremembered etc when describing the gas chambers, graves and cremations does not therefore mean they all lied.
Your suggestion that there has been a massive hoax is imbecilic. It is not possible, just like walking on water.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 12:18:20 GMT
See been-there's reference to the history of Christianity. As far as people being coached for the hoax, the alleged witnesses were writing wartime propaganda and the hoaxers got stuck with it. Your claim that it is a hoax that c2.5 million people were gassed at the AR camps or A-B Kremas means there are c2.5 million potential witnesses to what happened inside those places. It is ridiculous to suggest that it is plausible that none of them have ever come forward to tell the truth. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 13:10:15 GMT
At Klowns, I read the following from a poster called Gibson. Strangely enough he is the only "realist" who has not been banned by the idiot Pyrrho. This was in response to "Nessie's" comment: "Deniers labour under the delusion that only truthful witnesses describe everything in perfect detail."Gibson has a good point; it seems if some holocaust charlatan says he or she saw something absurd it happened. This is why the burning blood, self cremating corpses and other absurdities like "shrunken heads" and soap were taken as gospel truth. How ridiculous and absurd does a story have to be before the "believers" scratch their pointed heads and think "hold on" this can't be real. A cultish, โ believerโ mind-set just avoids dealing honestly and rationally with the overwhelming amount of โridiculousโ claims embedded within the CORE of the โholyco$tโ industryโs pseudo-history. All of the "ridiculous" claims have been analysed and dealt with. They are the hearsay, rumours, errors, descriptives, hyperbole etc that the vast majority of witnesses use, which you then use to fabricate illogical arguments from incredulity. If you strip away the emotive language, hyperbole etc and acknowledge that the Nazi testimony agrees with the Jewish, then what is left is the use of petrol engines to gas people inside chambers, modified Kremas where people were gassed with Zyklon B, mass graves dug by excavators, mass pyres using rails and mass cremations in ovens. The methodology I use is as taught at university and by the police. Gather evidence and if what a witness claims is backed up by other evidenced, then in all probability, their main claim is truthful. You try to substitute argument for evidence, bizarrely thinking that if you do not believe something is possible, then it was not possible and did not happen. Yours is a belief, not an evidenced based narrative. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 15:43:08 GMT
What the eyewitnesses state happened (not the hearsay or rumour, just the eyewitnesses who saw what happened)
- gassings using an engine at the AR camps
- gassings using vans at Chelmno
- gassings using converted Kremas at A-B
- the excavating of mass graves at the AR camps and Chelmno
- the exhumations and mass cremations on pyres at the AR camps and Chelmno
- the mass cremations in ovens at A-B
are all physically possible and were well within German engineering and construction capabilities in the 1940s. It is a bizarre, ridiculous fantasy to claim they were not physically possible. Furthermore, there is evidence from multiple sources to prove that is what happened.
The revisionist claim of no mass gassings at those camps is not backed by any evidence. Indeed, revisionists burst into tears and cry when asked to evidence what happened instead. They have no evidence, so they rely on a series of arguments using logical fallacies, that anyone with any intelligence recognises as flawed. Just because someone does not believe what is claimed to have happened and cannot work out how it happened, does not therefore mean it did not happen.
Instead, revisionists fantasise that the Nazis transported and accommodated millions of people without leaving any evidence and then cooperated in a massive hoax with the Soviets, the Western Allies (for much of that during the Cold War) along with all historians and journalists. That is ridiculous.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 16:29:10 GMT
Nessie doesn't even know for sure how many people transited through Treblinka. What is known for sure is that there weren't any 30-40 feet deep giant pits, nobody got gassed in a hermetically sealed gas chamber, no whole bodies were exhumed with a clamshell and for damned sure nobody got cremated on the magic Jew barbeque i.e. a grate fueled with some twigs. In holyhoax la-la land, all of that is perfectly reasonable. Between 6,500 and 9,000 people are evidenced to have been transported back out of TII to labour camps in Poland.
Geophysics has identified pits at least 13 feet deep and in 1945, remains were found down to 22 feet. Estimates of pits 30-40 feet deep are over estimations.
Hermetic sealing makes sense in a gas chamber, indeed it would be odd for a gas chamber to not use a seal round any door or vent.
No one has claimed whole bodies were exhumed with a clamshell, you made that up.
There is evidence a pyre using metal rails and wood to start the blaze will work.
What did not happen is c2.5 million people, supposedly not gassed, were being accommodated by the Nazis at the end of 1944 and it is ridiculous to suggest the level of cooperation required to sustain a hoax.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 16:30:13 GMT
Nessie gets it arse to front once again. Revisionists don't have to prove what did happen. Only what DIDN'T happen and nobody got gassed, buried, etc. at any of the camps.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 16:33:46 GMT
Nessie doesn't even have a reliable source for his 2.5 million. As far as Lukaszkiewcz's claims, you forgot that he said that the giant graves no longer existed at Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 16:35:34 GMT
Nessie gets it arse to front once again. Revisionists don't have to prove what did happen. Only what DIDN'T happen and nobody got gassed, buried, etc. at any of the camps. Only in revisionist la-la land, do they not need to evidence what happened.
You cannot prove there were no gassings, without any evidence. Your arguments are not evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 16:36:54 GMT
Nessie doesn't even have a reliable source for his 2.5 million. As far as Lukaszkiewcz's claims, you forgot that he said that the giant graves no longer existed at Treblinka. It is widely accepted that c900,000 were gassed at A-B and c1.6 million were gassed at the AR camps and Chelmno. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 17:22:33 GMT
Everyone has read your weak suck excuses for the alleged eyewitnesses. No rational people believe their claims of how Jews were killed and disposed of by the eeevul Narzis. Your Hofle telegram is dodgy so your claim that 900,000 were murdered at Treblinka can't be stated as fact. Those are facts whether you like it or not. You can shriek "what ifs", "coulda wouldas", "evidence" and "exaggerations" from now til forever but we've heard it all and don't believe it. I posed the question, "Were six million killed in the holocaust" on a social media site and got over 40 replies of "No, it didn't happen". Not one single poster agreed with the six million figure or anything close to it. If you're going to convince anyone that the holyhoax really happened you're going to have to come up with some seriously convincing proof and you can't do that. Repeating your tired mantras goes nowhere.
Until you can evidence what really happened, then I am going with the present evidence of mass gassings.
Your claim of a massive conspiracy and no mass gassings is utterly ridiculous, which is why you dodge discussing it in any detail.
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