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Post by Turnagain on Mar 8, 2022 9:31:18 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Did you mean "revisionist's allegation"? Have you been hitting the Highland Dew again? Just curious.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 8, 2022 9:51:11 GMT
Nessie wrote: Did you mean "revisionist's allegation"? Have you been hitting the Highland Dew again? Just curious. You lot claim a massive hoax, involving the cooperation of millions of Jews, along with Nazis and Soviets, who are all sworn enemies. How ridiculous is that?! |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 8, 2022 10:01:13 GMT
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Aha! A fallacy of the argument from incredulity. Nessie just don't believe it no how. Besides, I thought this was about the cause of Lantos' father's death?
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Post by been_there on Mar 8, 2022 11:03:33 GMT
Peter Lantos describes quite clearly how his father died, he traded scarce nutrition for his addiction to cigarettes. For someone to state that he died due to harsh camp conditions is a distinct lie, not an error. Anyone who had not read the book by the dead mans son would add that information to the litany of lies surrounding the camps. This is a deliberate ploy found so often in holocaust literature. All you need to do is edit the entry in Wikipedia and show the source. ๐
๐คฃ๐ This person is so deeply in denial! Wikipedia has a coterie of Jews who have been trained how to break the rules and co-operate internationally to โpoliceโ Wiki content that Jews have an emotional and intellectual investment in. They have also infiltrated the echelons of permanent, paid wiki staff. Many of them (e.g. Slimvirgin and Jayjig) are openly pro-Israel and belligerently faithful and protective of Jewish-agendas. The founder and owner of Wikipedia is himself proudly zionist pro-Israel and for many years claimed on his bio page to be โJewishโ. He now denies that he is. Collectives of registered Jewish โeditorsโ block and permanently ban people who try to more impartially edit, expand and improve Jewish-related topics. Arbitration procedures to combat their misinformation machinations are often lengthy, protracted, frustrating affairs that go nowhere and seem designed to deter attempts at correcting clearly biased, factually false wiki content. All the above is especially true where it concerns anything to do with โthe holocaustโ. It is also the case for editing and improving much of WW2 wiki content. How ridiculous must content be on โholocaustโ wiki pages before it is corrected, is demonstrated by the fact that months of wrangling on the talk page once occurred, arguing over whether 4.2 million and 5.1 million are figures that are less than 6 million. This being because the page falsely stated that โat least six millionโ Jews were holocausted during WW2. The indisputable proof that Reitlinger, Hilberg, Benz and others gave figures that were less than 6 million was fiercely resisted and accusations of โanti-semiteโ and โH-denierโ were bandied about. That โdebateโ on basic arithmetic eventually went to arbitration and the appeal was lost. The false claim was allowed to remain! And that was just one dispute over correction of only one clearly false sentence. So the idea that all anyone need to do correct wiki misinformation on โthe holocaustโ is to edit the entry in Wikipedia and show the source, is profoundly deluded. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 8, 2022 13:25:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: Aha! A fallacy of the argument from incredulity. Nessie just don't believe it no how. Besides, I thought this was about the cause of Lantos' father's death? I am not arguing merely from incredulity. The hoax you claim is physically impossible to have happened.
That is the part you just don't get.
The claims about gassings etc are claims about things that were physically possible for the Nazis to do. The claims about a massive hoax were not physically possible for the Nazis, along with the Jews and the Soviets to do. There is no way in hell they would all cooperate with each other.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 8, 2022 13:33:36 GMT
All you need to do is edit the entry in Wikipedia and show the source. ๐
๐คฃ๐ This person is so deeply in denial! Wikipedia has a coterie of Jews who have been trained how to break the rules and co-operate internationally to โpoliceโ Wiki content that Jews have an emotional and intellectual investment in. They have also infiltrated the echelons of permanent, paid wiki staff. Many of them (e.g. Slimvirgin and Jayjig) are openly pro-Israel and belligerently faithful and protective of Jewish-agendas. The founder and owner of Wikipedia is himself proudly zionist pro-Israel and for many years claimed on his bio page to be โJewishโ. He now denies that he is. Collectives of registered Jewish โeditorsโ block and permanently ban people who try to more impartially edit, expand and improve Jewish-related topics. Arbitration procedures to combat their misinformation machinations are often lengthy, protracted, frustrating affairs that go nowhere and seem designed to deter attempts at correcting clearly biased, factually false wiki content. All the above is especially true where it concerns anything to do with โthe holocaustโ. It is also the case for editing and improving much of WW2 wiki content. How ridiculous must content be on โholocaustโ wiki pages before it is corrected, is demonstrated by the fact that months of wrangling on the talk page once occurred, arguing over whether 4.2 million and 5.1 million are figures that are less than 6 million. This being because the page falsely stated that โat least six millionโ Jews were holocausted during WW2. The indisputable proof that Reitlinger, Hilberg, Benz and others gave figures that were less than 6 million was fiercely resisted and accusations of โanti-semiteโ and โH-denierโ were bandied about. That โdebateโ on basic arithmetic eventually went to arbitration and the appeal was lost. The false claim was allowed to remain! And that was just one dispute over correction of only one clearly false sentence. So the idea that all anyone need to do correct wiki misinformation on โthe holocaustโ is to edit the entry in Wikipedia and show the source, is profoundly deluded. A debate about how many died in the Holocaust and what figures should be used, that was lost by revisionists, is not evidence that revisionism is in effect banned from Wikipedia. It is evidence that revisionism is wrong and not backed by the evidence.
Adding in more detail about how someone died in Bergen-Belsen, that is backed up by a credible, verifiable source, is not going to bring down the wrath of the Jews you say police Wikipedia.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 8, 2022 19:22:22 GMT
Adding in more detail about how someone died in Bergen-Belsen, that is backed up by a credible, verifiable source, is not going to bring down the wrath of the Jews you say police Wikipedia. Here is the wiki entry about the Lantos family: To this are added a list of references in an apparent attempt to make the article appear credible. The truth is: His father died at Bergen Belsen due to forgoing scarce rations after trading his food for cigarettes to support his addiction. Peter and his mother got sent on a train that was heading to Buchenwald; this is not a "death camp" as the term is used. En route the train stopped suddenly (the driver had had enough), the occupant free to leave but found by US forces who handed them over to the Soviet Red Army. The Soviets wanted to keep the travellers as prisoners to send to Russia. The Lantos family had to escape the Soviets on a coal train heading towards Hungary. This information is more accurately conveyed in another article Biography which is more accurate. While more accurate, the second article does not mention why Peter's dad died of starvation; it implies the Germans starved him to death when in fact this was all his own doing. The US army did not "liberate" them but stumbled across them after the train had stopped and the people leaving. This is a photo of that stalled transport. The biographical article does not state how well the Lantos family were treated by the Germans at least until Belsen where they were paid for their labour.  The first wiki article is a deliberate attempt at holocaust disinformation. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 8, 2022 20:13:21 GMT
The Wikipedia entry about Peter Lantos is basic and acknowledges "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources." That is hardly evidence of a massive conspiracy to fool people into believing millions were gassed.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 8, 2022 21:38:57 GMT
The Wikipedia entry about Peter Lantos is basic and acknowledges "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources." That is hardly evidence of a massive conspiracy to fool people into believing millions were gassed. That is asking for references not for correct material. I am sure if other authors were referenced which mentions Peters father being worked to death or they being sent to a "death camp" that nonsense would be accepted as fact. No one said this was a massive conspiracy but an example, and a good one of how the holocaust lies are portrayed and accepted. In fact Peters story has little to do with "the Holocaust". A 5 year old Hungarian Jewish boy (and family) is treated well by Germans when almost every other Hungarian is gassed; where every child is gassed. In fact a whole Hungarian transport headed west while two went East presumably to Birkenau. Each transport had about 2 thousand passengers who paid for their fare. Two thousand Mako Jews were spared the alleged "extermination camps", yet this is not mentioned in another wiki report. A person studying the Mako Jews would assume they were all sent to a death camp and gassed, if they read that report. Yet this is not the case. They were sent to Austria where they did various labour for the Reich; it was only later on as the war deteriorated that they were sent to less desirable camps. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 9, 2022 9:16:02 GMT
The Wikipedia entry about Peter Lantos is basic and acknowledges "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources." That is hardly evidence of a massive conspiracy to fool people into believing millions were gassed. That is asking for references not for correct material. I am sure if other authors were referenced which mentions Peters father being worked to death or they being sent to a "death camp" that nonsense would be accepted as fact. No one said this was a massive conspiracy but an example, and a good one of how the holocaust lies are portrayed and accepted. In fact Peters story has little to do with "the Holocaust". A 5 year old Hungarian Jewish boy (and family) is treated well by Germans when almost every other Hungarian is gassed; where every child is gassed. In fact a whole Hungarian transport headed west while two went East presumably to Birkenau. Each transport had about 2 thousand passengers who paid for their fare. Two thousand Mako Jews were spared the alleged "extermination camps", yet this is not mentioned in another wiki report. A person studying the Mako Jews would assume they were all sent to a death camp and gassed, if they read that report. Yet this is not the case. They were sent to Austria where they did various labour for the Reich; it was only later on as the war deteriorated that they were sent to less desirable camps. You link to the Wiki entry, but not the source for the alternative you claim, why is that? |
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Post by Ulios on Mar 9, 2022 9:41:45 GMT
You link to the Wiki entry, but not the source for the alternative you claim, why is that? I think it is quite clear that the alternative source are the memoirs of Peter Lantos, his book "Parallel lines"; mentioned so often here and elsewhere. Peter stresses that his book is not a holocaust story but a personal memoir of jewish boy living through those times. People like you Nessie, are not prepared to read alternative books to your vision of hell. You have an apparent nauseous attitude of salacious selection of reality, enough to make most stomachs churn and chunder. This is not for you but for readers who are interested in the truth. This is what Peter Lantos wrote about his fathers death in his book 'Parallel Lines" link |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 9, 2022 9:46:34 GMT
If you change the Wiki entry to quote that and show the source, there would be no problem.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 9, 2022 9:50:14 GMT
If you change the Wiki entry to quote that and show the source, there would be no problem. There is no problem, the truth is out there. You have exposed your attitude, your weakeness and integrity, or lack of. Nothing new there for anyone to see. Here is the rest of the writing from Peter about his fathers death. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 9, 2022 9:55:55 GMT
I am encouraging you to update Wikipedia and make it more accurate. How does that expose my supposed weakness and lack of integrity?
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Post by Ulios on Mar 9, 2022 10:12:56 GMT
I am encouraging you to update Wikipedia and make it more accurate. How does that expose my supposed weakness and lack of integrity? You have the information, read the book, scan the pages and update that entry yourself or get someone to do it. I have exposed another single example of the untruth regarding Holocaut matters. To update every false entry would take an army similar to the Soviet Extraordinary Commission that instigated the attitude to support these lies in the first place. I am not realy interested in your failings, or integrity; the truth is above a single person or group. |
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