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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:46:05 GMT
Suuuuure, can't take what the alleged eyewitnesses testify to literally. Especially when the bizarre tales are piled one on top of another. Just little "mistakes" or "exaggerations". Well, dozens of little "mistakes" and "exaggerations" but how else can the 'hoax work?
BTW, ever read "Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds"? Well, I suppose not.
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Post by been_there on Feb 5, 2022 11:48:10 GMT
THE QUESTION: Is it possible for a man to walk hundreds of metres out from the shore on the water of a huge lake when its surface is disturbed by wind-swept, storm-tossed waves? Can a human being walk on water like that? What do you think?
Is it believable that a person is able to produce multiple loaves of bread out of thin air, in front of multiple witnesses?
How about the credibility of this: would you believe that a person could bring back to life someone who had been dead for a couple of weeks and make them get up and walk unaided out of their burial chamber, despite the dead personโs stinking, rotting corpse being wrapped tightly in bands of cloth like a mummy so walking in those bands wouldnโt be possible for a living person who hadnโt been dead for a fortnight? Do YOU believe a person could make such an impossible and extremely unlikely thing occur just by saying a few words from outside the burial chamber?
Would you think these โstoriesโ are believable?
Do you believe that one person could and did do all these physically impossible, โmagicโ things and supposedly others besides? Are you aware that it was claimed and believed that there was such a โmagicโ-performing person and that he was โmagicallyโ conceived in his mothers womb WITHOUT one of her monthly ovulations being fertilised by male spermatazoa?
If you DO NOT believe these โstoriesโ of non-credible, physically impossible occurrences, then HOW do you explain many MILLIONS of otherwise intelligent people not only fervently believing it for thousands of years, but enforcing their belief upon their children and the children of others. Not only that but punishing, torturing and even cruelly murdering people by burning them alive if they questioned or disbelieved any aspect of these โstoriesโ?
How was a โbeliefโ like that maintained for nearly two thousand years? How would it be possible with so many people involved โ intelligent, university-educated people โ not only over centuries, but across many lands and even spanning different continents!?
How could a belief in such a physically impossible set of stories be allowed to be studied and taught at Universities?
How would it be possible for the judiciary for centuries to cruelly punish dissent from belief in such a physically impossible set of stories? ______________________________________
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There is no intellectual reasoning that can impress the stubborn, cultish, โbelieverโ mindset
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 11:51:21 GMT
Suuuuure, can't take what the alleged eyewitnesses testify to literally. Especially when the bizarre tales are piled one on top of another. Just little "mistakes" or "exaggerations". Well, dozens of little "mistakes" and "exaggerations" but how else can the 'hoax work? If there was a hoax, do you not think the witnesses would have been coached not to make emotive claims, make mistakes or exaggerate? The irony is that it is you who has fallen for the deluded claim of massive hoax involving millions of people and multiple governments, universities and journalists.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:59:28 GMT
See been-there's reference to the history of Christianity. As far as people being coached for the hoax, the alleged witnesses were writing wartime propaganda and the hoaxers got stuck with it.
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Post by been_there on Feb 5, 2022 12:33:07 GMT
At Klowns, I read the following from a poster called Gibson. Strangely enough he is the only "realist" who has not been banned by the idiot Pyrrho. This was in response to "Nessie's" comment: "Deniers labour under the delusion that only truthful witnesses describe everything in perfect detail."Gibson has a good point; it seems if some holocaust charlatan says he or she saw something absurd it happened. This is why the burning blood, self cremating corpses and other absurdities like "shrunken heads" and soap were taken as gospel truth. How ridiculous and absurd does a story have to be before the "believers" scratch their pointed heads and think "hold on" this can't be real. A cultish, โ believerโ mind-set just avoids dealing honestly and rationally with the overwhelming amount of โridiculousโ claims embedded within the CORE of the โholyco$tโ industryโs pseudo-history. As we see here (e.g. the reply above) on a daily basis. ๐ The โ believerโ mind-set either BELIEVES them; makes irrational, inconsistent justifications for them; or denies they have any significance. To genuinely incorporate them into an honest understanding of the whole narrativeโs credibility would cause too much cognitive dissonance!
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Post by been_there on Feb 5, 2022 14:08:18 GMT
How ridiculous, impossible โ and refuted by current, available, empirical evidence PLUS logic โ must a belief-system be BEFORE a cultish believer in it, will recognise that and will realign their understanding back in accordance with clear reality?
Regretably, almost NEVER!!
It takes generations of intelligent, honest, iconoclastic, courageous individuals publically doing so and suffering the consequences of challenging a mass-delusion before the majority with a sheep-like, herd mentality will accept the truth.
And there is always a stubborn, stupid remnant who will never learn.
As we see with the fantastic claims contained within the belief-system called Christianity. If we strip away the ridiculous claims, the nonsense, the exaggeration, the hyperbole, the physically impossible statements, etc., of the New Testament narrative, we are left with a core narrative of a Hebrew tradesman from the region of Galilee who belonged to a religious, messianic sect who gathered something of a following, who could tell wise stories and maybe was viewed as a healer, but was killed by the Jewish and Roman authorities.
But if that is your view of it, THAT isnโt โChristianityโ anymore , is it?
I just tried explaining a similar point, on a different topic-thread, to this same person replying above, and it got the predictable miscomprehension and stubbornly stupid โdenialโ type of โtrue-believerโ reply.
His replies are always ironic in that they merely provide yet further proof that this person is in the grip of an irrational, emotional, cultish belief in a mass-gassing narrative that at its intrinsic core has physically impossible details. A narrative that its believers refer to with the emotionally-powerful, Pavlovian trigger-word โholocaustโ.
And if you take away those ridiculous claims, the nonsense, the exaggeration, the hyperbole, the physically impossible statements, etc., then what is left is no longer โthe holocaustโ.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 14:09:21 GMT
Nah, the absurd and bizarre fantasies of the witnesses are just lies.
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Post by been_there on Feb 5, 2022 16:07:36 GMT
...Indeed, revisionists burst into tears and cry when asked to evidence what happened instead... ๐๐
๐คช More evidence this person has no grip on reality AND is reduced to increasingly bizarre lying!
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 16:11:20 GMT
Nessie doesn't even know for sure how many people transited through Treblinka. What is known for sure is that there weren't any 30-40 feet deep giant pits, nobody got gassed in a hermetically sealed gas chamber, no whole bodies were exhumed with a clamshell and for damned sure nobody got cremated on the magic Jew barbeque i.e. a grate fueled with some twigs. In holyhoax la-la land, all of that is perfectly reasonable.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 16:21:27 GMT
...Indeed, revisionists burst into tears and cry when asked to evidence what happened instead... ๐๐
๐คช More evidence this person has no grip on reality AND is reduced to increasingly bizarre lying! OK, so how about you produce contemporaneous evidence from witnesses, documents, physical items, archaeology etc relating directly to the AR camps, Chelmno and the A-B Kremas to prove what did happen inside those places.
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