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Post by Venatỏr on Apr 19, 2022 9:39:47 GMT
Nessie will believe anything a witness says so long as he already agrees with it; this is why real witnesses like Marian Olszuk are rejected. Olszuk is not rejected. He said he hears screaming from inside the camp, there was a terrible smell at times and he makes no mention of mass transports of people back out of the camp. That corroborates claims inside the camp people were being murdered, buried in mass graves and cremated and it was not a transit camp. Nessie are you saying that because of a smell (which could be from latrines) and really nothing untoward happening, this is somehow evidence of mass murder? |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 9:40:45 GMT
Which is a meaningless argument you used again and again. If the witnesses were in the main not "trained insurgents" aka spies, agents, militia, partisans co-ordinated then his claim might have some merit. However, the corroborated evidence is what they created themselves e.g they blew up the Kremas after the Germans left. The transports records mysteriously disappear except the damning ones. Krema I was converted into a bomb shelter by the Nazis, who also blew up Kremas II, III, V and the Bunkers. Krema IV was damaged during a revolt. Show me evidence the Kremas were in tact after the Nazis abandoned the camp in 1945. What transport records have disappeared? Show your evidence of mass showering of all the Hungarian Jews, in particular those not registered at the camp. Please show that evidence. The narrative is that not all Hungarian Jews were sent to A-B, it was mainly Jews from outwith Budapest. On arrival they were selected and many put to work. There were also transports of Hungarian Jews to other camps and some Hungarinas were being used as potential hostages or could buy their freedom. You have a minimal knowledge and think that anything that is different from the gassing claims is somehow a sign of a conspiracy. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 9:44:19 GMT
Olszuk is not rejected. He said he hears screaming from inside the camp, there was a terrible smell at times and he makes no mention of mass transports of people back out of the camp. That corroborates claims inside the camp people were being murdered, buried in mass graves and cremated and it was not a transit camp. Nessie are you saying that because of a smell (which could be from latrines) and really nothing untoward happening, this is somehow evidence of mass murder?
It is supporting evidence. Witnesses, such as Stangl reported a terrible smell coming from the camp in the first few months in 1942, when Eberl was in charge and there is evidence the smell in 1943 that came from decomposing bodies. Then there was the smell from cremating the exhumed bodies. Olszuk supports those witness claims. He is one of the witnesses who speaks to smells coming from the camp.
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Post by Ulios on Apr 19, 2022 9:47:59 GMT
The narrative is that not all Hungarian Jews were sent to A-B, it was mainly Jews from outwith Budapest. On arrival they were selected and many put to work. There were also transports of Hungarian Jews to other camps and some Hungarinas were being used as potential hostages or could buy their freedom. You have a minimal knowledge and think that anything that is different from the gassing claims is somehow a sign of a conspiracy. From USHMM: Are you telling the forum that the USHMM information is wrong? |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 9:57:20 GMT
The narrative is that not all Hungarian Jews were sent to A-B, it was mainly Jews from outwith Budapest. On arrival they were selected and many put to work. There were also transports of Hungarian Jews to other camps and some Hungarians were being used as potential hostages or could buy their freedom. You have a minimal knowledge and think that anything that is different from the gassing claims is somehow a sign of a conspiracy. From USHMM: Are you telling the forum that the USHMM information is wrong? No, that information is correct, of the Hungarian Jews deported from Hungary, most went to A-B and it was the Jews who lived in Budapest who were not deported, which is what I had said. |
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Post by Ulios on Apr 19, 2022 10:04:15 GMT
No, that information is correct, of the Hungarian Jews deported from Hungary, most went to A-B and it was the Jews who lived in Budapest who were not deported, which is what I had said. If most were gassed immediately then how did this woman shower with thousands of other women. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 10:09:29 GMT
No, that information is correct, of the Hungarian Jews deported from Hungary, most went to A-B and it was the Jews who lived in Budapest who were not deported, which is what I had said. If most were gassed immediately then how did this woman shower with thousands of other women. What woman? Please name and link to what she said. The Hungarian arrivals are famous, because they were photographed and show the selection lines, of those to work and those to be gassed. Workers, and hundreds could be selected from a transport, were sent to be showered (not in the Kremas), tattooed and given a uniform. |
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Post by Ulios on Apr 19, 2022 10:29:50 GMT
What woman? Please name and link to what she said. The Hungarian arrivals are famous, because they were photographed and show the selection lines, of those to work and those to be gassed. Workers, and hundreds could be selected from a transport, were sent to be showered (not in the Kremas), tattooed and given a uniform. Try and read all the information on this forum before recycling what you think you know another time. linkHer name is Gertrud Deak, Hungarian Jewess from Szombathely. While her mother was probably euthanized she and thousand of other woman showered together. Explain why thousands were not gassed as per the narrative. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 19, 2022 10:57:47 GMT
What woman? Please name and link to what she said. The Hungarian arrivals are famous, because they were photographed and show the selection lines, of those to work and those to be gassed. Workers, and hundreds could be selected from a transport, were sent to be showered (not in the Kremas), tattooed and given a uniform. Try and read all the information on this forum before recycling what you think you know another time. linkHer name is Gertrud Deak, Hungarian Jewess from Szombathely. While her mother was probably euthanized she and thousand of other woman showered together. Explain why thousands were not gassed as per the narrative.
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She is describing the selection process, where those not need to work were taken to the Kremas;
"The men were separated right away from the women; that was the last time, that I saw my father. I was supporting my mother, who could hardly stand on her legs and anyway did not seem to know, what was happening to us. We were told to get into rows of five and while marching, or, better, dragging ourselves along in front of a group of SS, who were separating our lines into various groups, my mother and I were soon parted. I saw my mother being led to a building, from which smoke was rising; I learned later, that this was the crematorium. I never saw my mother again!
I have been was led with thousands of other women into a hall, where we were ordered to strip naked. From there we were forced to go into another hall - a freezing cold one - where we were shaved by men on every spot, where there was hair on the body. Then disinfected with an extremely painful disinfectant. "
The Central Sauna was built in spring 1943, between Kremas III and IV, for showering and disinfecting arrivals;
She was taken to the Central Sauna for processing and her mother to the Kremas to be gassed. Thousands were not gassed, because in 1944, when the Nazis were losing the war, they needed more slave labourers than they had in 1942-3, when the AR camps were the main locations for gassings.
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Post by Nazgûl on Apr 19, 2022 11:15:32 GMT
She was taken to the Central Sauna for processing and her mother to the Kremas to be gassed. Thousands were not gassed, because in 1944, when the Nazis were losing the war, they needed more slave labourers than they had in 1942-3, when the AR camps were the main locations for gassings. In the main post it was accepted her mother was Actioned (14f13). The narrative simply says the following: This woman was deported in Spring 1944 which is May when the Hungarian Jews were deported and 80% gassed; she and her transport fit the main narrative and yet she was not gassed nor her companions. The following is how she described the selection: It is clear that this was the "selection", the separation of sexes and the infirm. It is accepted there was euthanasia but this is different from the narrative that 80% were disposed of. Her mother could not walk and had dementia. It appears that the 14f13 program has been exaggerated to the point that the majority were dealt with but that is not the case. It was a few elderly with dementia and other ailments where they could not survive anyhow. |
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