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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 9:08:14 GMT
Don't forget the electric masturbation machines and the pedal powered brain bashing machine, Nazgul. Yep and the "tittillator"  |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 9:09:03 GMT
there is no variation at all in their claimed method. With the odd exception of the tilt a whirl electrocution chambers, chlorine chambers and steam. All of these are made up as are the Zb nonsense and Carbon Monoxide exhaust nonsense. Claims about electrocution, chlorine and steam were all made by people who had not seen the chambers and who were repeating rumour.
Every single Nazi who worked at an AR camp said it was exhaust from an engine. Every single Jew who worked at an AR camps and saw gassings, said it was exhaust from an engine. Some Jewish eyewitnesses also said people were left to suffocate inside the chambers and one thought the air was pumped out before exhaust was pumped in.
Every single Nazi and Jew who worked at the A-B Kremas said it was Zyklon B dropped inside a chamber.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 9:10:45 GMT
Hey, all the witnesses claimed to have seen flying reptiles. There is such a thing as a flying snake so there's no variation in their claims about flying reptiles.
PS. Don't forget the electric masturbation machines and the pedal powered brain bashing machine, Nazgul.
Name an eye witness to what happened, who said anything like that.
Stop conflating rumour with eyewitness evidence as if it is the same thing.
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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 9:17:43 GMT
Every single Nazi who worked at an AR camp said it was exhaust from an engine. Every single Jew who worked at an AR camps and saw gassings, said it was exhaust from an engine. Some Jewish eyewitnesses also said people were left to suffocate inside the chambers and one thought the air was pumped out before exhaust was pumped in.
Every single Nazi and Jew who worked at the A-B Kremas said it was Zyklon B dropped inside a chamber.
How do you know they belonged to the NSDAP; being in the SS doesn't make them nazis. The jews were all in this together, a collective litany of lies. Admitted by their leader FFS. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 9:43:12 GMT
Every single Nazi who worked at an AR camp said it was exhaust from an engine. Every single Jew who worked at an AR camps and saw gassings, said it was exhaust from an engine. Some Jewish eyewitnesses also said people were left to suffocate inside the chambers and one thought the air was pumped out before exhaust was pumped in.
Every single Nazi and Jew who worked at the A-B Kremas said it was Zyklon B dropped inside a chamber.
How do you know they belonged to the NSDAP; being in the SS doesn't make them nazis. The jews were all in this together, a collective litany of lies. Admitted by their leader FFS.
I am using Nazi as a general term. Those directly involved in the mass gassings were from different countries, mainly Germany and Ukraine and yes, some were not in the Nazi party. The Jews were from multiple different European countries.
Who is the leader you claim admitted they all lied?
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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 9:50:05 GMT
Who is the leader you claim admitted they all lied? I think you should stick to your own form Nessie. It is quite clear who we are talking about. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 10:49:32 GMT
The revisionist argument is that because the witness evidence has inconsistencies, exaggerations, emotive descriptions, claims that are physically impossible, therefore all the witness lied.
That argument is a circular one, which acknowledges witness evidence is weak and then uses that weakness to claim therefore it is all lies.
It ignores
1 - that it is the traumatised Jews, forced to work on pain of death at the gas chambers, who give the most emotive descriptions. It would be odd if they described what they saw in a matter of fact way, as if it was just a normal day's work.
2 - the Nazis do describe what they saw in a more matter of fact way, which is due to their working under orders and being convinced they were doing something that was lawful and for the benefit of Germany, by killing an enemy.
3 - that no witness was interviewed immediately after what happened, when memory is at its best and indeed, the earliest anyone produced a report of what they saw, was still years later. Most witnesses gave their evidence decades later.
4 - that when witnesses are interviewed on multiple occasions, each time being asked different questions, of course they will vary their testimony. That creates inconsistencies.
5 - as witnesses speak to each other, or read about events from another, they then mix their testimony with what they have subsequently found out. That also creates inconsistencies.
No revisionist has any witness or interview training. Revisionist analysis of witness evidence is flawed and ignorant of how witnesses behave.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 16, 2022 15:06:03 GMT
With the odd exception of the tilt a whirl electrocution chambers, chlorine chambers and steam. All of these are made up as are the Zb nonsense and Carbon Monoxide exhaust nonsense. Claims about electrocution, chlorine and steam were all made by people who had not seen the chambers and who were repeating rumour.
Every single Nazi who worked at an AR camp said it was exhaust from an engine. Every single Jew who worked at an AR camps and saw gassings, said it was exhaust from an engine. Some Jewish eyewitnesses also said people were left to suffocate inside the chambers and one thought the air was pumped out before exhaust was pumped in.
Every single Nazi and Jew who worked at the A-B Kremas said it was Zyklon B dropped inside a chamber.
Thus the ability and will to lie of jews involved in these camps was demonstrated before the war had even ended. |
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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 18:45:08 GMT
No revisionist has any witness or interview training. Revisionist analysis of witness evidence is flawed and ignorant of how witnesses behave. You have no idea what you are talking about. It appears that your acceptance of lying witnesses is due to a religious belief in all things gassing, the holy gas. Some might call that gullible, cultish even, I call it infantile. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 16, 2022 18:49:31 GMT
No revisionist has any witness or interview training. Revisionist analysis of witness evidence is flawed and ignorant of how witnesses behave. You have no idea what you are talking about. It appears that your acceptance of lying witnesses is due to a religious belief in all things gassing, the holy gas. Some might call that gullible, cultish even, I call it infantile. What is the more reliable method for determining witness truthfulness?
1 - corroborative evidence that supports what the witness claims.
2 - opinion on how a witness describes what they saw and their experiences.
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 16, 2022 19:07:27 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nessie apparently hasn't heard that hoary old saying, "You lie and I'll swear to it". Curious that the famous investigator from Scotland hasn't run across that particular quip.
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Post by nazgul on Apr 16, 2022 19:16:33 GMT
What is the more reliable method for determining witness truthfulness? 1 - corroborative evidence that supports what the witness claims. 2 - opinion on how a witness describes what they saw and their experiences. Comparing the statements of trained insurgents, military terrorists who lie as a matter of survival is quite different to interviewing someone witnessing a car crash or some other incident. Often these trained militia will use existing situational events to concoct their story alluding to authenticity. This is why the armory at Trelinka became the gas chamber.  Treblinka armoryThe double story and the crenellations are a giveaway in the witness descriptions. It is clear that the atrocity propaganda was not one off "bullshit" by a few pissed off jews but an orchestrated, co-ordingated litany of lies; a few truths and half truths thrown in for measure. What you think is neither here nor there, this is not about what you percieve Nessie. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 17, 2022 8:33:15 GMT
Because eyewitness evidence is the weakest form of evidence, the answer to my question is 1. Witness truthfulness can only be reliably assessed by corroborative evidence.
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 18, 2022 19:30:19 GMT
You have no idea what you are talking about. It appears that your acceptance of lying witnesses is due to a religious belief in all things gassing, the holy gas. Some might call that gullible, cultish even, I call it infantile. What is the more reliable method for determining witness truthfulness?
1 - corroborative evidence that supports what the witness claims.
2 - opinion on how a witness describes what they saw and their experiences.
Neither, 3 - hard evidence, is the only true method. The rest is hearsay. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Apr 18, 2022 19:34:20 GMT
Because eyewitness evidence is the weakest form of evidence, the answer to my question is 1. Witness truthfulness can only be reliably assessed by corroborative evidence. Which is a meaningless argument you used again and again. |
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