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Post by Turnagain on Feb 26, 2022 11:10:01 GMT
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Nah, everyone knows that the Soviets were just honest and disinterested investigators who were only looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They had no reason whatsoever to coerce witnesses for their own purposes at all. We can rely 100% on the statements from witnesses that they interrogated. So there!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 11:28:45 GMT
There is no evidence the engineers were coerced. Their testimony is corroborated by other evidence. Unless you can produce empirical evidence as to what was happening inside the Kremas 1943-4, then there is no rational reason to believe something else happened. There is no reason why engineers would work on a project well out of their field of expertise. There would be little point in getting them to commit perjury if their statement did not somehow support some other fabrication. This topic is not about what happened in the kremas but the eye witnesses being open to lying. It is probable they thought the leichellers were pure morgues until a plea bargain was made to reduce their potential culpability. It is highly probable they were lying through their teeth. They were not working outwith their field. They designed Kremas and ovens. Fritz Sander submitted a patent application for his oven design and said;
"In November 1942 I was finished with my project of a crematorium for the mass burning of corpses and submitted this project to the state patent office in Berlin."
Karl Schultze was the engineer responsible for the ventilation system, he said;
"In this way I, together with Prüfer, also constructed and built the crematoria in Auschwitz concentration camp in 1942/43. I myself only built the part of the crematorium that belonged to the ventilation."
Kurt Pruefer was in overall charge. Each engineer worked on his area of expertise. The documents at the A-B construction office and Topf & Sons corroborates them and there is no evidence they were coerced.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 11:30:48 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nah, everyone knows that the Soviets were just honest and disinterested investigators who were only looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They had no reason whatsoever to coerce witnesses for their own purposes at all. We can rely 100% on the statements from witnesses that they interrogated. So there! Typically, when you cannot claim the witness is just too unbelievable, you have to resort to suggesting he was coerced, with no evidence produced of coercion. The reason why we know the Krema engineers were telling the truth, is because their evidence is corroborated. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 26, 2022 12:11:08 GMT
You betcha', Nessie, those Communists were as honest as the day is long. We should implicitly believe every scrap of evidence they produced. Well, if it supports the holyhoax, that is.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 12:20:53 GMT
You betcha', Nessie, those Communists were as honest as the day is long. We should implicitly believe every scrap of evidence they produced. Well, if it supports the holyhoax, that is. Wrong. Only believe what is corroborated by other evidence.
You are more like the Communists than I am. You happily believe what you want to hear and supports your desired narrative, whether it is evidenced, corroborated or not.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 27, 2022 9:42:54 GMT
Uh-huh, and what corroborative evidence do you have for the existence of the Soviet tank engine?
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Post by been_there on Feb 27, 2022 9:59:39 GMT
Uh-huh, and what corroborative evidence do you have for the existence of the Soviet tank engine? Exactly! 👏 What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for any of the eye-witness statements? Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for homicidal gas-vans? Answer:none. Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for mass graves at Babi Yarr? Answer:none. Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for kula-columns and roof-holes for adminstering zyklon b? Answer:none. Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for mass graves, ground disturbance and tons of cremains at T2 commensurate with the alleged 900,000 victims? Answer:none. Etc., etc., etc. |
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Post by been_there on Apr 15, 2022 4:39:44 GMT
Despite what the Holocaust promulgators claim, the claims of the ‘eye witnesses’ are actually the greatest proof against the claimed mass-gassing of millions of Jews to exterminate ALL OF THEM.
Bruno Baum is just another example of that.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 15, 2022 8:45:29 GMT
Uh-huh, and what corroborative evidence do you have for the existence of the Soviet tank engine? Exactly! 👏 What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for any of the eye-witness statements? Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for homicidal gas-vans? Answer:none. There is a document about the workings of the gas vans. phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/19420605-rauff-spezialwagen/index.html"Since December 1941, ninety-seven thousand have been processed, using three vans, without any defects showing up in the vehicles...In order to facilitate the rapid distribution of CO, as well as to avoid a buildup of pressure, two slots, ten by one centimeters, will be bored at the top of the rear wall. The excess pressure would be controlled by an easily adjustable hinged metal valve on the outside of the vents." The circumstantial evidence of the Jews being ordered to gather at Babi Yar and no evidence they then left. The Einstagruppen OSR 101, reporting the shooting of Jews; www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-human-behavior/einsatzgruppen-report"Sonderkommando 4a in collaboration with Einsatzgruppe HQ and two Kommandos of police regiment South, executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev on September 29 and 30, 1941." The columns are referenced in a document found at the A-B Construction Office; holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html"Transfer inventory of 31 March 1943 on “4 wire mesh slide in devices” and “wooden covers” in the crematorium 2 basement [Pressac, Technique, p. 430]" A 1943 photo shows wood covers on the roof, aerial photos show marks/shadows on the roof and physical remains show where holes were located. Archaeological and geophysical surveys have found large areas of disturbed ground and pits containing cremains, identifiable human bones and ash. |
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Post by Ulios on Apr 15, 2022 8:58:48 GMT
Exactly! 👏 What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for any of the eye-witness statements? Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for homicidal gas-vans? Answer:none. There is a document about the workings of the gas vans. phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/19420605-rauff-spezialwagen/index.html"Since December 1941, ninety-seven thousand have been processed, using three vans, without any defects showing up in the vehicles...In order to facilitate the rapid distribution of CO, as well as to avoid a buildup of pressure, two slots, ten by one centimeters, will be bored at the top of the rear wall. The excess pressure would be controlled by an easily adjustable hinged metal valve on the outside of the vents." The circumstantial evidence of the Jews being ordered to gather at Babi Yar and no evidence they then left. The Einstagruppen OSR 101, reporting the shooting of Jews; www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-human-behavior/einsatzgruppen-report"Sonderkommando 4a in collaboration with Einsatzgruppe HQ and two Kommandos of police regiment South, executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev on September 29 and 30, 1941." The columns are referenced in a document found at the A-B Construction Office; holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html"Transfer inventory of 31 March 1943 on “4 wire mesh slide in devices” and “wooden covers” in the crematorium 2 basement [Pressac, Technique, p. 430]" A 1943 photo shows wood covers on the roof, aerial photos show marks/shadows on the roof and physical remains show where holes were located. Archaeological and geophysical surveys have found large areas of disturbed ground and pits containing cremains, identifiable human bones and ash. I understand you have an archive section on your forum to store this stuff. There is no need to repeat this here. People are well aware of what you have said above, so nothing new. All this is "eye witness" stuff with no hard evidence really, only tantalizing innuendo. |
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