The weakest part of the ’holocaust’ — the ’eye-witnesses’

Exactly! 👏
What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for any of the eye-witness statements?

Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for homicidal gas-vans? Answer:none.

Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for mass graves at Babi Yarr? Answer:none.

Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for kula-columns and roof-holes for adminstering zyklon b? Answer:none.

Q. What ‘corroborative evidence’ is there for mass graves, ground disturbance and tons of cremains at T2 commensurate with the alleged 900,000 victims? Answer:none.

Etc., etc., etc.

There is a document about the workings of the gas vans.

phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/19420605-rauff-spezialwagen/index.html

"Since December 1941, ninety-seven thousand have been processed, using three vans, without any defects showing up in the vehicles...In order to facilitate the rapid distribution of CO, as well as to avoid a buildup of pressure, two slots, ten by one centimeters, will be bored at the top of the rear wall. The excess pressure would be controlled by an easily adjustable hinged metal valve on the outside of the vents."



The circumstantial evidence of the Jews being ordered to gather at Babi Yar and no evidence they then left.
The Einstagruppen OSR 101, reporting the shooting of Jews;

www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-human-behavior/einsatzgruppen-report

"Sonderkommando 4a in collaboration with Einsatzgruppe HQ and two Kommandos of police regiment South, executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev on September 29 and 30, 1941."



The columns are referenced in a document found at the A-B Construction Office;

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

"Transfer inventory of 31 March 1943 on “4 wire mesh slide in devices” and “wooden covers” in the crematorium 2 basement [Pressac, Technique, p. 430]"

A 1943 photo shows wood covers on the roof, aerial photos show marks/shadows on the roof and physical remains show where holes were located.



Archaeological and geophysical surveys have found large areas of disturbed ground and pits containing cremains, identifiable human bones and ash.

Been-there made false claims that there is no corroborative evidence for the witness claims. I have successfully proven his claim wrong. He should move on and accept he made a claim that is false and not make that claim again. If this forum is to be an open debate, then false claims should be challenged.

This topic-thread is about eye-witness testimony.
Attempts are therefore inevitably made by cultish believers attempting to derail discussion of such testimony. This presumably being because they know how detrimental such testimony is to the ahistorical belief-system promulgated under the protected rubric of ’holocaust studies’.

In particular, this topic-thread posits the premise that ’eye-witness’ testimony is not only the least convincing aspect of the allegation of genocide by mass-gassing, but actually refutes that allegation. This being because if the most relied upon ‘eye-witness’ testimony is critically scrutinised and compared with other ‘eye-witness’ testimony, the unreliability of it becomes unavoidably clear.

This fact was demonstrated in the trial brought by the historian David Irving who took Professor Debbie Lipstadt and her publishers Penguin to trial for libel.

Firstly because the lawyers for the defence decided not to call a single ‘eye-witness’ as they knew that to do so would jeopardise their case. That being because the team of lawyers, researchers and mercernary ‘historians’ acknowledged that ‘eye-witness’ testimony was not only worthless as ‘evidence’ in pursuing their case but was in fact damaging to it!

Secondly because the presiding Judge acknowledged that to his great suprise what he had been taught to believe was the ‘overwhelming evidence’ conclusively supporting the claim of a planned genocide by mass-gassing, he discovered in reality does not exist.

This was the point alluded to previously by me:
viz. their is no conclusive ‘evidence’ for any of those holocaust ’articles of faith’.
On the contrary, the documentary evidence is thin and open to interpretation. PLUS, the empirical evidence ACTUALLY refutes the narrative on crucial, core details.

These facts have been proven numerous times on this discussion forum and elsewhere.

They can be gone over again if that is wanted. But may I request moderators make sure it is not done here, as this topic concerns ’eye-witness’ claims.

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The irrefutable fact is that there are no credible ‘eye-witnesses’ to claims of mass-gassing on the scale claimed, at the camps claimed, in the numbers claimed.

The resident RODOH cultish believer was many times requested to name one credible ‘eye-witness’ to any mass-gassing of Jews-because-they-were-Jews, and to provide quotes of their testimony plus a verifiable source for it.

He could not! Instead he avoided, prevaricated, obfuscated and attempted to distract from the simple challenge.

If 6 million, 4 million or 2.4 million Jews (take your pick on the total, as there is no accepted figure amongst ‘believers’) were gassed in homicidal chambers, over a period of three years, in numerous locations, you would think it would be a relatively easy thing to reference numerous credible ’eye-witness’ testimonies describing that occurrence.

Yet, as Lipstadt’s team of researchers knew, as her legal team recognised, and as any honest investigator quickly realises — there isn’t one!! Not one.
None of them — not the Kapos, not the Sonderkommandos, not the SS functionaries and camp operatives — provided testimony that withstands close scrutiny on the core details.

If I am wrong on this point, please do correct me. It should be easy to do.
Just provide the one most credible testimony.

Surprise, surprise. 🙂
So, no attempt at providing even one truthful and credible witness to the alleged mass-gassing, supposedly for three years, supposedly at six camps, supposedly of 2.7 million people!!

This is a tacit admission that none of the people who incriminated others as mass-murderous H-war-criminals or incriminated themselves are believable! None of them! Not a single one!
Quite amazing. 🙄

You’d think something like that which the H-narrative alleges, would be so traumatisingly memorable that the vast majority of eye-witnesses would be able to describe it in extremely credible, accurate detail.

We could expect — if the narrative were true — that if not the majority, then at least numerous witnesses would have correctly related the core details in a credible and truthful way. 

And yet, not one did!
Not one credible and truthful ’eye-witness’.
Instead ALL of them non-credible ’lie-witnesses’.

And that folks, is why this pseudo-history needs laws to protect it from critical analysis and honest research.

Yep, one witness describes a dragon with green scales flying from the castle and breathing fire on the peasants. Another witness describes a big green and pink snake flew from the castle to the village and ate thousands of peasants. Nessie says that there are snakes in the rain forests of South America who flatten their bodies and glide through the air from tree to tree so the tales of flying reptiles are "corroborated by other independent evidence". The true account of the gliding rain forest snakes prove that although the witnesses aren't credible they're actually telling the truth. Well, maybe they just used some "emotive language" but their stories are corroborated. Perfectly reasonable.

With the odd exception of the tilt a whirl electrocution chambers, chlorine chambers and steam. All of these are made up as are the Zb nonsense and Carbon Monoxide exhaust nonsense.