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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on May 5, 2022 21:34:09 GMT
four crematoriums working 24 hours a day with over 1700 staff. How do you know this? More eyewitness testimony or as Höß was having his testicles crushed.
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Post by been_there on May 6, 2022 5:51:15 GMT
This from the American Holocaust museum admits that the very basis for the claim that there really was an attempted genocide of ALL Jews during WW2 is ’ eyewitness testimony’. As it is conceded here that such testimony is the least reliable form of evidence, it follows that any such allegation must be closely scrutinised for evidence of vengeance-motivated deceit. It also follows that a mass-murder allegation on the scale claimed based on unreliable eye-witnesses must therefore have incontrovertible, forensic, empirical proof to support it. That this pseudo-historical atrocity propaganda DOES NOT have that, is why it needs draconian ‘thought-crime’ laws to protect it from critical evaluation and revision. That last part is a clear deceit. Firstly NONE of the alleged perpetrators would have even of heard of the term ‘ the Holocaust’ in 1945. Secondly, almost ALL of the alleged perpetrators denied any knowledge of a plan to mass-murder all Jews until informed of it by their captors AFTER the war. What sort of genuine history needs to blatantly lie and deceive like that? 🤔More deliberate deceptions. 🤦♂️ Hermann Göring denied he knew of any Jew-genocide policy, and stated in his opinion Hitler also did not know of any such policy. And Göring admitted that he authorised and was in charge of the ’final solution’ programme which he stated concerned mass-expulsion NOT mass-murder. He also correctly rejected the coerced ’confession’ at Nuremburg of Rudolf Höß as a physical impossibility. Otto Ohlendorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D engaged in anti-partisan combat on Soviet territory to stop and discourage partisan activity. He also did not admit to any Jew-genocide policy, nor to knowledge of one. Rudolf Höß, did NOT “testify frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau”. He confessed after torture to a ridiculous number of mass murders and stated he would have confessed to any number after the torture he received from Jewish interrogators. This is the admitted “foundation for much of what we know about the Holocaust” according to the USHM: deceptions and distortions of the reality of trial testimonies. SUMMARY: Without the ’eye-witness’/’lie-witness’ testimony, there wouldn’t be a myth of attempted ’Jew genocide’. The USHMM needs to lie and misinform to maintain the mythology that there was. It asserts that the evidence exists proving the claims and coerced ’confessions’ of these ’lie-witnesses’. But if anyone honestly and fairly looks at what they claim is the supporting ’evidence’ it becomes rapidly apparent that their claim must be a calculated deception. It has to be, as the evidence isn’t there (as Ephraim Kaye, the Director of International Seminars at Yad Vashem, conceded). And as that fact is both admitted when necessary and denied when it isn’t, THAT is why it can fairly be called a gigantic hoax. If anyone follows the links provided above, they will see the claim made that one of the most damning pieces of evidence for Jew genocide in gas chambers is the Wannsee Protocol. The CIA agent and ex-Israeli PM Netanyahu lied on the world stage claiming it was irrefutable proof. (Netanyahu made this false statement at the UnitedNations in 2009)
But as anyone who has actually read it knows, it says NOTHING about factories of death, extermination camps or a genocide of all Jews. It talks predominantly of mass-expulsion and forced emigration. The only reference to deaths of Jews is in one line regarding natural attrition from forced labour in road building. SUMMARY: In their own words “...the foundation for much of what we know about the Holocaust IS Eyewitness testimony from both perpetrators and survivors”. Yeah! And their testimony doesn’t stack up. Which is why our resident ’believer’ can not name a single, credible ’eye-witness’ whose testimony withstands close scrutiny. Not one! His claim that the ludicrous and nonsensical account by Yankel Wiernek makes him the best witness is actually the proof that the mass-gassing, Jew-genocide narrative has no basis in fact. Oh, the irony! 🙂
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 7:48:12 GMT
Here;
"...under the conditions of the mass gassings as reported by witnesses in the alleged “gas chambers” of Crematoria II to V, cyanide residues would have been found in similar quantities, coloring the walls blue, as they can be found in the disinfestation wings of Buildings 5a/b. Since no significant quantities of cyanide were found in the alleged hom-icidal “gas chamber,” one must conclude that these installations were exposed to similar conditions to the above-mentioned other installations (hot-air disinfestation, inmate barracks, washroom of Crematorium I), i.e., that they most likely were never exposed to any hydrogen cyanide."
He is arguing mass gassing should leave staining, as was found in the delousing chambers. His conclusion is that since no staining is there, therefore the chambers were not exposed to high levels of hydrogen cyanide. Right. So there is no argument from incredulity there. In fact it's an argument based on a sound logic derived from fundamental axioms. Just because he has convinced himself that there should be more residue, does not therefore mean he is correct. The counterargument is that the gassings in the chambers meant exposure for minutes, not hours as happened with clothes, and in between each gassing the chambers were washed, which did not happen in the delousing chambers, and that because of being blown up the chambers have been exposed to the weather.
Plus, Rudolf cannot evidence what was happening inside the Leichenkellers, if it was not gassings.
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 7:49:08 GMT
Justified by what?
How are documents not hard evidence?
Justified by the need for cremation of the camps natural dead. Documents are hard evidence and corroborate the benign narrative and refute yours. So you keep on asserting, but when asked for evidence, you run away with excuses.
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 7:50:22 GMT
four crematoriums working 24 hours a day with over 1700 staff. How do you know this? More eyewitness testimony or as Höß was having his testicles crushed. This document which showed the camp staffing levels on the 28th July 1944
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 8:08:56 GMT
... SUMMARY: Without the ’eye-witness’/’lie-witness’ testimony, there wouldn’t be a myth of attempted ’Jew genocide’. There is documentary evidence of the mass killing of Jews by the EG, and of a plan to work the Jews to death and for the rest "to be treated accordingly". There is documentary of evidence of the construction of undressing rooms, gas chambers and mass cremations at A-B. There are documents which reference the liquidation of the Jews. That is evidence that many Jews were to die under Nazi occupation. Then there is the circumstantial evidence of the mass transportation of millions of people to specific camps, where they were stripped of all their property down to their underwear and gold teeth and where large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains have been found. There is no evidence the majority of people who arrived at those camps left. That is evidence consistent with killings. At the end of the war, millions of Jews were missing, with the largest camp liberation being c60,000 at Bergen-Belsen, not all of whom were Jews. Again, that is evidence consistent with mass killings. Kaye explained about the Nazi attempts to destroy as much evidence as possible, hence visitors to the AR camps do not see gas chambers or mass graves. He did not admit to a lack of evidence, as in there is no evidence. www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/Wannsee/wanseeminutes.html"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)" That is a veiled threat to kill the rest who do not die from their labours. Furthermore, the minutes record; "Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:" It then records Estonia as already "Jew free" and other countries with Jewish populations that are lower than they were pre-war. Pre-war, Lithuanian had a Jewish population of c160,000, but in 1942 at Wannsee it was recorded as 34,000. Wiernik's evidence is typically emotive and is corroborated, which is how it has been established as truthful in the main claims. Wiernik makes the same claims about gassings, graves and cremations as the Nazis who worked at TII. There is no evidence or reason why Jews and Nazis would cooperate to hoax others.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on May 6, 2022 8:35:35 GMT
Wiernik's evidence is typically emotive and is corroborated, which is how it has been established as truthful in the main claims. Wiernik makes the same claims about gassings, graves and cremations as the Nazis who worked at TII. There is no evidence or reason why Jews and Nazis would cooperate to hoax others. The first part of this discourse is just a narrative "ground hog" experience. From 1904 Jankiel Wiernik was a member of the Bund movement.[plagiarised from wiki]. The Bund movement were supported by the Soviet Union; Wiernik was a Russian Spy. He is simply regurgitating what someone else wrote, using his name for political ends.
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 8:52:27 GMT
Wiernik's evidence is typically emotive and is corroborated, which is how it has been established as truthful in the main claims. Wiernik makes the same claims about gassings, graves and cremations as the Nazis who worked at TII. There is no evidence or reason why Jews and Nazis would cooperate to hoax others. The first part of this discourse is just a narrative "ground hog" experience. From 1904 Jankiel Wiernik was a member of the Bund movement.[plagiarised from wiki]. The Bund movement were supported by the Soviet Union; Wiernik was a Russian Spy. He is simply regurgitating what someone else wrote, using his name for political ends. The Bund, according to Wiki, was a trade union, political movement. That does not make Wiernik a Soviet spy.
It is ironic you criticise him for copying what someone else wrote!
Fact is, his main claims are corroborated by everyone else who worked at TII, documents, circumstantial and physical evidence.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on May 6, 2022 9:07:59 GMT
The Bund, according to Wiki, was a trade union, political movement. That does not make Wiernik a Soviet spy. It is ironic you criticise him for copying what someone else wrote! Fact is, his main claims are corroborated by everyone else who worked at TII, documents, circumstantial and physical evidence. In those days every communist was a Soviet agent, or potential. Work for a while and then leave, that is how the Russians work. It is mentioned that the Soviets concocted much of this so called corroborated evidence; the spy Wiernik and his ilk just support the corroboration, like a house of cards. "Its falling fast flipper" is the quote from "Porter Ricks".
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Post by Nessie on May 6, 2022 11:46:03 GMT
The Bund, according to Wiki, was a trade union, political movement. That does not make Wiernik a Soviet spy. It is ironic you criticise him for copying what someone else wrote! Fact is, his main claims are corroborated by everyone else who worked at TII, documents, circumstantial and physical evidence. In those days every communist was a Soviet agent, or potential. Work for a while and then leave, that is how the Russians work. It is mentioned that the Soviets concocted much of this so called corroborated evidence; the spy Wiernik and his ilk just support the corroboration, like a house of cards. "Its falling fast flipper" is the quote from "Porter Ricks". Wiernik was Polish. All the earliest reports came from the Polish. You don't even understand the difference between Soviet and Russian, which is hardly surprising, since you think plagiarism is the highest form of academic work.
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Post by been_there on May 6, 2022 12:40:40 GMT
SUMMARY: Without the ’eye-witness’/’lie-witness’ testimony, there wouldn’t be a myth of attempted ’Jew genocide’. The USHMM needs to lie and misinform to maintain the mythology that there was.
Kaye explained about the Nazi attempts to destroy as much evidence as possible, hence visitors to the AR camps do not see gas chambers or mass graves. He did not admit to a lack of evidence, as in there is no evidence.So... the resident, irrational believer asserts that a.) there is evidence at the claimed extermination camps, AND b.) that Ephraim Kaye explained why there was no evidence there (because the Nazties destroyed it). 🤣😂😅 So which is it? Is there evidence of mass-murder of millions? OR Did the Nazties destroy that evidence? According to this cultish defender-of-the faith, the answer is YES to both questions! 😮🤪 YES there is still evidence there at the claimed extermination sites. And YES the Nazties did destroy it all. 🙄🤦♂️ So I take this nonsense reply as yet further proof that attempting a sane discussion with this individual is futile. 🙂 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Watch from 4:00 to hear Mr. Kaye refuting Nessie’s insane denial of reality. And understand that he IS admitting what REVISIONISTS revealed to the world: viz. that the H mass-gassing narrative has NO supporting forensic, archeological or empirical evidence supporting it at the alleged mass-gassing sites. He is one of the holocaust high-priests. His name is Ephraim Kaye. And he DOES admit this at 4:24 in that Youtube video: “...walk around the camp [Birkenau] and geographically it’s a tremendous area... and look for the physical evidence of the destruction of 1.2 to 1.4 million people. Well it’s distressing and depressing because you REALLY DON’T FIND IT!!!”And at 5:42, when talking about Treblinka he admits the lack of physical evidence there also, saying this: “it’s unbelievable! There is nothing there”!
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Post by mrolonzo on May 6, 2022 12:54:17 GMT
Right. So there is no argument from incredulity there. In fact it's an argument based on a sound logic derived from fundamental axioms. Just because he has convinced himself that there should be more residue, does not therefore mean he is correct. The counterargument is that the gassings in the chambers meant exposure for minutes, not hours as happened with clothes, and in between each gassing the chambers were washed, which did not happen in the delousing chambers, and that because of being blown up the chambers have been exposed to the weather.
Plus, Rudolf cannot evidence what was happening inside the Leichenkellers, if it was not gassings.
Right but those objections ie minutes not hours, washing of walls, exposed brickwork are in fact addressed by Rudolf. So again, it's in no way an argument from incredulity. He can evidence what did happen in the cellars using both chemical and document evidence to come to the correct conclusion.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 6, 2022 12:55:56 GMT
Justified by the need for cremation of the camps natural dead. Documents are hard evidence and corroborate the benign narrative and refute yours. So you keep on asserting, but when asked for evidence, you run away with excuses. What excuse have I offered? None. The high natural death is not disputed by anyone.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 6, 2022 12:58:26 GMT
In those days every communist was a Soviet agent, or potential. Work for a while and then leave, that is how the Russians work. It is mentioned that the Soviets concocted much of this so called corroborated evidence; the spy Wiernik and his ilk just support the corroboration, like a house of cards. "Its falling fast flipper" is the quote from "Porter Ricks". Wiernik was Polish. All the earliest reports came from the Polish. You don't even understand the difference between Soviet and Russian, which is hardly surprising, since you think plagiarism is the highest form of academic work. We all understand the difference between Soviet and Russian although in the times, when the Soviets has recently taken over half of Poland and took over its entirety afterwards the differences were vague. And no one thinks this about plagiarism except you.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 6, 2022 15:18:17 GMT
... SUMMARY: Without the ’eye-witness’/’lie-witness’ testimony, there wouldn’t be a myth of attempted ’Jew genocide’. There is documentary evidence of the mass killing of Jews by the EG, and of a plan to work the Jews to death and for the rest "to be treated accordingly". There is documentary of evidence of the construction of undressing rooms, gas chambers and mass cremations at A-B. There are documents which reference the liquidation of the Jews. That is evidence that many Jews were to die under Nazi occupation. Then there is the circumstantial evidence of the mass transportation of millions of people to specific camps, where they were stripped of all their property down to their underwear and gold teeth and where large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains have been found. There is no evidence the majority of people who arrived at those camps left. That is evidence consistent with killings. At the end of the war, millions of Jews were missing, with the largest camp liberation being c60,000 at Bergen-Belsen, not all of whom were Jews. Again, that is evidence consistent with mass killings. Kaye explained about the Nazi attempts to destroy as much evidence as possible, hence visitors to the AR camps do not see gas chambers or mass graves. He did not admit to a lack of evidence, as in there is no evidence. www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/Wannsee/wanseeminutes.html"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)" That is a veiled threat to kill the rest who do not die from their labours. Furthermore, the minutes record; "Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:" It then records Estonia as already "Jew free" and other countries with Jewish populations that are lower than they were pre-war. Pre-war, Lithuanian had a Jewish population of c160,000, but in 1942 at Wannsee it was recorded as 34,000. Wiernik's evidence is typically emotive and is corroborated, which is how it has been established as truthful in the main claims. Wiernik makes the same claims about gassings, graves and cremations as the Nazis who worked at TII. There is no evidence or reason why Jews and Nazis would cooperate to hoax others. No such evidence exists. Which is why you haven't just quoted a small paragraph of words even yet. But please link us again to some shoddy website.
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