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Post by been_there on Feb 3, 2022 5:59:01 GMT
Here is a televised interview from yesterday with a comic book artist named Art Spiegelman talking about a Tennessee school district’s recent vote to ban his Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel “Maus” from its eighth grade language arts curriculum. During it, a recording from 1972 is played of his father repeating nonsense about Auschwitz gas chambers where poisonous gas came through shower heads. He claimed that he was only relating what he himself had seen!. But how could he have ’seen’ gas coming out of shower heads? Plus, he would be dead if he had really been a witness to that. It is obvious nonsense, from a Jewish ’survivor’ who is just repeating rumours — and who is lying by specifically claiming he is not doing that. Plus how was gas supposed to come through the pipes and out of the shower-heads from Zyklon B pellets? This is old nonsense in 1972, from before all this was debunked by the revisionists of the 1980s. Yet amazingly the interviewer Amy Goodman, her TV show producer, and everybody else involved in putting out this main-stream-media NEWS show STILL accepts this nonsense! And this happened YESTERDAY, on main-stream TV!!! And that folks, is how to keep spreading a hoax. www.democracynow.org/2022/2/2/art_spiegelman_maus_a_survivors_talehour
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Post by been_there on Feb 8, 2022 15:14:24 GMT
Main-stream media is currently taking the recent death of a famous ‘holocaust’ fraudster and ‘survivor’ as an opportunity to further perpetuate his ‘eye-witness’ testimony. Which demonstrates the depth of delusional symbiotic relationship between holocaust promulgators and that media. As they are re-peddling proven lies. Lies that were refuted in a court of law in front of a judge and jury. Yet the media is presenting his time in court as the opposite!!! They are perpetuating the deception that he personally, with his ‘eye-witness’ testimony “proved the mass-gassing mythology was proven fact. In reality, his time in court under cross-examination proved only that he was a liar and and shameless fraudster. Amazingly, some of the ‘news’ media are repeating some of his more preposterous (and self-contradictory) ‘eye-witness’ anecdotes. E.g. this one: 🙄🙄🙄🤮🤮🤮
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Post by been_there on Feb 10, 2022 8:08:31 GMT
Here is the detail of recently deceased Mel Mermstein’s shameless lies and frauds, where he fraudulently forced money from people by LYING about the deaths of his parents and sister, through perpetuating the refuted lie of a huge mass-gassing programme.
His lies were exposed in a court of law. Yet the media are still perpetuating the lie that he ‘proved’ the revisionists were wrong: proof that this whole pseudo-historical mass-gassing ‘extermination’ mythology is a form of deliberate deceit plus colossal mass-delusion!
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Post by been_there on Feb 14, 2022 17:03:57 GMT
As I have written before, I was in my early fifties when I first realised — to my great shock and consternation — that the holocaust credos didn’t add up. I discovered this after reading my first eye-witness account / autobiography by a famous and well respected, highly educated ‘holocaust survivor’. I assumed the inconsistencies, self-contradictions and outright deceits were just a minor aberration and couldn’t be representative of all the other ‘survivor’ eye-witness accounts. But when I delved deeper, I found that all of the survivor accounts I came across had similar troubling discrepancies. To reassure myself that the ‘holocaust’ history alleging an attempted genocide of an entire ‘race’ mainly by gassings was still — in the main — an irrefutably true narrative, I looked for reassuring confirmation from the ‘confessions’ of the alleged perpetrators. And initially that served the intended purpose: it reassured me the ‘holocaust’ mythos was accurate history.
And yet some niggling doubt still remained: how could so many ‘survivors’ accounts be so woefully non-credible on core details if it had occurred as both the perpetrators and ‘survivors’ had narrated? That still didn’t add up: why would people need to make up obviously false stories that were at their basic core not only false but often impossible if they really had experienced the events they described? That led me to revisit and question the perpetrator ‘confessions’ a little more critically. And to my shock and dismay, when reading and double- checking their accounts, I reached the same conclusion I had when critically analysing the ‘survivor’ testimonies: they didn’t withstand close scrutiny!! Their accounts weren't credible either!
I then began visiting and reading the websites where believers and revisionists argued over some of the issues that I myself had just discovered. My own research led me to view revisionist arguments more open-mindedly than I perhaps otherwise would have, and thus it was that slowly over a couple of months I realised their view of things made way more sense than did the views of the official Holocaust narrators and historians.
Not only that, but the fact that there was no rebuttal of revisionist arguments AT ALL from the official guardians of the ‘holocaust’ mythology made me realise that this was an example of a colossal mass-delusion.
I know some people once they realise the deception like to call it a ‘hoax’. But I think that is neither a fair nor accurate categorisation. I think it is more accurate to call it a mass-delusion and a self-deception as I feel sure that most of the survivors came to believe their own lies. Which is why I think they and their relatives become so upset, angry and hateful when their self-deceptive lies are exposed as lies. It is because since the late sixties — early seventies and onwards they themselves have invested so much of their self-identification in their ‘holocaust survivor’ status. Plus society has given them an exalted status. To take all that away by rejecting it and exposing them as exaggerators and liars must be literally quite devastating personally.
Then there is the status that second-generation ‘survivors’ have taken upon themselves, that we also need to take into account. The majority of them have also emotionally invested heavily in the ‘special Jewish suffering and attempted genocide’ narrative that their parents, grandparents and community have instilled in them.
Then we have the shabbas goy perpetrators and promulgators of this mythology. They have also invested emotionally to a considerable degree. And some have their whole academic reputation and livelihood staked in it. I’m thinking of people like Richard Evans, Ian Kershaw, Christopher Browning, Timothy Snyder, Nick Terry, etc.
For all these different categories of believers, to concede the revisionists have some bona fide arguments requires too much of them, because they know at some level that such acknowledgement is a slippery slope that can lead to what they see as apostasy. Therefore they misrepresent revisionist arguments as ‘denial’, ‘anti-semitism’, ‘Hitler-adoration’, ‘neo-Nazism’, etc. They need to use such misrepresentation to justify their refusal to genuinely engage in reasoned, impartial, fair discussion.
This is why I am convinced that the obstacles preventing us currently reaching accurate history on this emotionally charged topic are P S Y C H O L O G I C A L not historical. In other words, we are up against entrenched beliefs that can not be corrected by factual debate only. These people need the equivalent of cult exit-counselling. I’m being serious! They will need psychological assistance before they will be able to accept the reality.
The proof that the consensus narrative of attempted genocide, mass-gassings, and ‘death-camps’ is in need of heavy revision, has been provided already. The myths contained within the shoah history have already been refuted. The coming generations have only to be far enough removed from it in time and from family living memories to be able to approach it fairly and rationally. Which is usually about 100 years after the events. I.e. within the next twenty years!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 25, 2022 9:02:57 GMT
Every eyewitness who worked inside an A-B Krema, from Jewish prisoners, to the SS, to the civilian engineers from Topf & Sons agree they were modified and used for mass gassings and cremations. When people who would not normally agree, agree with each other, that makes their testimony all the more credible. Furthermore, the witness claims are corroborated by documents from Topf & Sons and the construction offices at A-B, which record the construction of gas chambers inside the Kremas. Add that to the circumstantial evidence of mass arrivals, the theft of the prisoners property down to their most personal of possessions and the lack of any evidence of mass departures and ALL of that EVIDENCE converges to prove mass gassings.
The witnesses may well be the weakest form of evidence, but each one of their claims is corroborated by other evidence.
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Post by Agandaur on Feb 25, 2022 9:26:29 GMT
The witnesses may well be the weakest form of evidence, but each one of their claims is corroborated by other evidence. Correlated only. No causal links at all except fabrications. Similar to the Stork migration in Berlin. Data from Berlin (Germany) show a significant correlation between the increase in the stork population around the city and the increase in deliveries outside city hospitals; the rest is well known. People claim the storks brought the babies; some simpletons still think this is true.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 25, 2022 15:25:14 GMT
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Post by Agandaur on Feb 25, 2022 18:03:26 GMT
The Topf & Sons engineer testimony about building homicidal gas chambers at the A-B Kremas are here; The Topf & Sons engineers witness evidence is corroborated by records at A-B and from Topf & Sons. They admit to the construction of homicidal gas chambers and ovens for use with multiple fast cremations, utilising and modifying their existing Krema designs. I am sure a part of the forum can be made so you do not constantly need to repeat the information and links. I am sure you can have a resource part in your own subway. The engineers just mentioned are experts in cremation technology and did install the ovens, how the ovens were used is independent of them. They are not homicidal gassing experts though may have expertise in morgues considering they are attached to the ovens. Now if they colluded with the engineers from Farben (who manufactured not only Zyklon B but installed the fumigation equipment using the same lethal product elsewhere on the premises) that might be a different scenario. No doubt some engineer designed the fumigation tunnels for trains strewn throughout europe; if they colluded with the Topf engineers that also might be damning. Engineering is a specialist subject with many different areas; I doubt if a crematoria expert would become proficient at execution chamber design suitable to dispatch people by the thousands. Their testimony has little merit apart from the potential of being coerced witnesses.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 25, 2022 19:23:33 GMT
The Topf & Sons engineer testimony about building homicidal gas chambers at the A-B Kremas are here; The Topf & Sons engineers witness evidence is corroborated by records at A-B and from Topf & Sons. They admit to the construction of homicidal gas chambers and ovens for use with multiple fast cremations, utilising and modifying their existing Krema designs. I am sure a part of the forum can be made so you do not constantly need to repeat the information and links. I am sure you can have a resource part in your own subway. The engineers just mentioned are experts in cremation technology and did install the ovens, how the ovens were used is independent of them. They are not homicidal gassing experts though may have expertise in morgues considering they are attached to the ovens. Now if they colluded with the engineers from Farben (who manufactured not only Zyklon B but installed the fumigation equipment using the same lethal product elsewhere on the premises) that might be a different scenario. No doubt some engineer designed the fumigation tunnels for trains strewn throughout europe; if they colluded with the Topf engineers that also might be damning. Engineering is a specialist subject with many different areas; I doubt if a crematoria expert would become proficient at execution chamber design suitable to dispatch people by the thousands. Their testimony has little merit apart from the potential of being coerced witnesses. There is no evidence the engineers were coerced. Their testimony is corroborated by other evidence. Unless you can produce empirical evidence as to what was happening inside the Kremas 1943-4, then there is no rational reason to believe something else happened.
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Post by Agandaur on Feb 26, 2022 2:12:28 GMT
There is no evidence the engineers were coerced. Their testimony is corroborated by other evidence. Unless you can produce empirical evidence as to what was happening inside the Kremas 1943-4, then there is no rational reason to believe something else happened. There is no reason why engineers would work on a project well out of their field of expertise. There would be little point in getting them to commit perjury if their statement did not somehow support some other fabrication. This topic is not about what happened in the kremas but the eye witnesses being open to lying. It is probable they thought the leichellers were pure morgues until a plea bargain was made to reduce their potential culpability. It is highly probable they were lying through their teeth.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 26, 2022 11:10:01 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nah, everyone knows that the Soviets were just honest and disinterested investigators who were only looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They had no reason whatsoever to coerce witnesses for their own purposes at all. We can rely 100% on the statements from witnesses that they interrogated. So there!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 11:28:45 GMT
There is no evidence the engineers were coerced. Their testimony is corroborated by other evidence. Unless you can produce empirical evidence as to what was happening inside the Kremas 1943-4, then there is no rational reason to believe something else happened. There is no reason why engineers would work on a project well out of their field of expertise. There would be little point in getting them to commit perjury if their statement did not somehow support some other fabrication. This topic is not about what happened in the kremas but the eye witnesses being open to lying. It is probable they thought the leichellers were pure morgues until a plea bargain was made to reduce their potential culpability. It is highly probable they were lying through their teeth. They were not working outwith their field. They designed Kremas and ovens. Fritz Sander submitted a patent application for his oven design and said;
"In November 1942 I was finished with my project of a crematorium for the mass burning of corpses and submitted this project to the state patent office in Berlin."
Karl Schultze was the engineer responsible for the ventilation system, he said;
"In this way I, together with Prüfer, also constructed and built the crematoria in Auschwitz concentration camp in 1942/43. I myself only built the part of the crematorium that belonged to the ventilation."
Kurt Pruefer was in overall charge. Each engineer worked on his area of expertise. The documents at the A-B construction office and Topf & Sons corroborates them and there is no evidence they were coerced.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 11:30:48 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nah, everyone knows that the Soviets were just honest and disinterested investigators who were only looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They had no reason whatsoever to coerce witnesses for their own purposes at all. We can rely 100% on the statements from witnesses that they interrogated. So there! Typically, when you cannot claim the witness is just too unbelievable, you have to resort to suggesting he was coerced, with no evidence produced of coercion. The reason why we know the Krema engineers were telling the truth, is because their evidence is corroborated.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 26, 2022 12:11:08 GMT
You betcha', Nessie, those Communists were as honest as the day is long. We should implicitly believe every scrap of evidence they produced. Well, if it supports the holyhoax, that is.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 26, 2022 12:20:53 GMT
You betcha', Nessie, those Communists were as honest as the day is long. We should implicitly believe every scrap of evidence they produced. Well, if it supports the holyhoax, that is. Wrong. Only believe what is corroborated by other evidence.
You are more like the Communists than I am. You happily believe what you want to hear and supports your desired narrative, whether it is evidenced, corroborated or not.
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