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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 8:59:28 GMT
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That, Nessie, is an in your face lie. I have not "decided the outcome before seeing any evidence...".
I don't know the notations used by the Brits. I DO know how such CW intercepts are accomplished.
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Post by nazgul on Feb 5, 2022 9:05:01 GMT
I don't know the notations used by the Brits. I DO know how such CW intercepts are accomplished. It may be a waste of time explaining SIGINT methods to an ex Glasgow meter man and parking warden. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 9:14:24 GMT
Nessie wrote: That, Nessie, is an in your face lie. I have not "decided the outcome before seeing any evidence...". The obvious quote mine lie is yours. I said that the only evidence you have seen is the online copy of the document and based only on that you have decided your conclusion. You dishonestly removed part of the quote to make it appear I had said something else. How did the British intercept stations in 1943 work? Show your evidence. |
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Post by nazgul on Feb 5, 2022 9:31:47 GMT
How did the British intercept stations in 1943 work? Show your evidence. There are books written on the subject. Please do not expect experienced people to spoon feed you. Turnagain has suggested there are issues with this telegram and I agree. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 9:46:37 GMT
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And I've said repeatedly that I DON'T know if the Hofle telegram is authentic or not. You are lying about me coming to any conclusions about it.
The Brits used SW radios to listen to the German CW transmissions and copied down what was being sent. The Germans transmitted the enigma messages on SW using CW. If the Brits were to intercept them, they would use SW equipment and be able to copy CW transmissions.
The work I did was and still is classified. Take your demands for a "show and tell" and go to hell.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 10:00:37 GMT
Nessie wrote: And I've said repeatedly that I DON'T know if the Hofle telegram is authentic or not. You are lying about me coming to any conclusions about it. Your conclusion, based on seeing one online source, is that it is most likely faked. You cannot reach such a conclusion from so little evidence. Straight away, the first source of errors becomes apparent. How attentive was the British radio operator? How good was their equipment? How good was radio reception? How quickly could the operative copy the transmission? How accurate were the operators at recording what they had just heard? How many transmissions were they trying to record? How fast did they have to work? The next source of errors is in the decryption. How accurate was it? Then there are typing and translation errors to add in to the mix. All of those sources for errors explain many of your doubts about the document. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 10:09:00 GMT
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Your lie isn't going to fly. I haven't reached any "conclusion" about the Hofle telegram. Give it a rest.
As for the rest of your drivel, let's see the original intercept and most of that will come clear.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 10:20:25 GMT
Nessie wrote: Your lie isn't going to fly. I haven't reached any "conclusion" about the Hofle telegram. Give it a rest. As for the rest of your drivel, let's see the original intercept and most of that will come clear. Here is what you have said about the document;
"I can't say that the telegram is authentic" "The Hofle telegram MAY be authentic but I wouldn't bet the farm on it."
You have clearly dismissed it. You have also said;
"The copy is full of mistakes and dodgy as hell"
I have pointed out numerous reasonable sources for the mistakes, which you have dodged, because you know I am right.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 10:46:21 GMT
What can't you understand about, "The Hofle telegram MAY be authentic but I wouldn't bet the farm on it? What can't you understand about, "I can't say that the telegram is authentic"? Nether can I say that it's a forgery. What can't you understand about that?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 10:59:59 GMT
What can't you understand about, "The Hofle telegram MAY be authentic but I wouldn't bet the farm on it? What can't you understand about, "I can't say that the telegram is authentic"? Nether can I say that it's a forgery. What can't you understand about that? You are clearly siding with it is a forgery, based on one page that is online. Your claim it is forged is based on mistakes on that page. You are now dodging all the likely causes of the mistakes. Radio operatives trying to listen into radio chatter on SW and copy down as fast as they can what they are hearing, which has to be typed, decoded, typed again and translated. It is obvious there will be mistakes.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:10:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Just quit your effing lying. Intercepts are taken with a mill. Missed characters are notated. You don't know your arse from your elbow about how an intercept is done or what it looks like. And give the effing lying a rest.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 11:13:00 GMT
Nessie wrote: Just quit your effing lying. Intercepts are taken with a mill. Missed characters are notated. You don't know your arse from your elbow about how an intercept is done or what it looks like. And give the effing lying a rest.
Show your evidence as to how the British intercepted Engima messages and I will show you all the potentials for mistakes. Mistakes are not evidence of a forgery.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:15:43 GMT
Show the original intercept. That would confirm the decode to be a forgery or confirm it to be valid. What can't you understand about that?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 5, 2022 11:30:59 GMT
Show the original intercept. That would confirm the decode to be a forgery or confirm it to be valid. What can't you understand about that? What do you not understand about my previous replies to that question?
It is very suspicious that you have made no enquiries to trace the original intercept, or establish if it has been archived, or if there is no record of it at all. What are you hiding?
Are you now dropping your claim that errors in the decoded document is evidence of a forgery?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 5, 2022 11:50:28 GMT
If Witte and Tyas want their marvelous discovery to be taken seriously then it's up to them to provide the original intercept.
It' not just the errors but the type of error. You are too ignorant to be able to understand that, though.
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