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Post by Ulios on Jan 30, 2022 9:26:37 GMT
Where is the exermination camp Wolzek that Hoess described in his trial. Why is W not on the Hoeffle telegram. Hoess was not part of AR, he did not know the correct names of the AR camps. He mentioned Treblinka, Belzak (Belzec) and Wolzek; perhaps this Wolzek was the extermination camp Kosow Podlaski aka Wolski |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 9:55:08 GMT
The point is, Nessie, that the much of the premise of the Treblinka holyhoax is built on questionable data. At "T", there were 10,355 arrivals for December and the total was 71,355. Both the number for December's arrivals and the total for the year end with the digits, "355". Did 61,000 deportees arrive at Treblinka in the previous months or did 1,263,811? Did Koherr accept faulty data as correct? There is also the possibility that the Hoefle telegram is itself a forged document according to David Irving.
Edit: A correction. At "T" there were 10,335 arrivals not 10,355 and total of 61,020 for "T". |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 10:16:48 GMT
The point is, Nessie, that the much of the premise of the Treblinka holyhoax is built on questionable data. At "T", there were 10,355 arrivals for December and the total was 71,355. Both the number for December's arrivals and the total for the year end with the digits, "355". Did 61,000 deportees arrive at Treblinka in the previous months or did 1,263,811? Did Koherr accept faulty data as correct? There is also the possibility that the Hoefle telegram is itself a forged document according to David Irving. You are clearly ignorant of what the Hofle Telegram actually is!
On the 11th January 1943, Hofle sent a telegram, coded using the Enigma coding machine, via radio message, to the head of the Security Police. That radio message was intercepted by the British, decoded, translated and typed out as shown in the link above. At that time its significance was not realised, because in 1943, hardly anything was known about AR. It was whist archive messages were being read in 2000, that the significance was understood, because by then what had happened at the AR camps was better known.
The mistake was not Hofle's, it was a mistake made by whoever it was who decoded and typed up the intercept. Hofle sent Korherr the correct figures, since Korherr went on to use 1,274,166.
You have made a mistake, not realising the error in the telegram was made by the British when they intercepted the message.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 10:35:29 GMT
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Or the German who transmitted the message over the Enigma machine made a mistake. There's no guarantee that the British intercept op or the person who made the transcript made the mistake. The point is that the data that hoaxers rely so heavily on is suspect. What can't you understand about the statement, "Somebody made a mistake".
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 12:06:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: Or the German who transmitted the message over the Enigma machine made a mistake. There's no guarantee that the British intercept op or the person who made the transcript made the mistake. The point is that the data that hoaxers rely so heavily on is suspect. What can't you understand about the statement, "Somebody made a mistake". Since Korherr accepted the total of 1,274,166 from the addition he was given and the chance of errors when decoding from Enigma, it is far more likely that the British made the mistake.
It is bizarre you ask me about witnesses making mistakes, since normally you refuse to accept they make mistakes and use any errors to suggest lying. You make plenty of mistakes, which by your definition, makes you a liar.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 13:20:27 GMT
I was an intercept operator for the ASA/NSA. I understand very well the propensity that radio operators have for mistakes. That would be compounded with the enigma machine being used. I have not-so-fond memories of idiots who couldn't copy and the endless collations. Don't try to bull[excrement] me about the ins and outs of radio intercept.
BTW, people usually distinguish between an honest mistake and an in your face lie.
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Post by been_there on Jan 30, 2022 16:36:43 GMT
BTW, people usually distinguish between an honest mistake and an in your face lie.
Yeah, MOST can distinguish between an honest mistake and an in your face lie. But unfortunately not people who have an emotional, irrational attachment to a mythological, exaggerated belief-system that is built upon deliberate, war-time, โatrocity propagandaโ lies. ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธPeople who who have an emotional attachment to a lie would rather lie themselves than admit error. And the bigger the lie they have been duped by, the harder it is for them to admit they have been duped. As we see here everyday with this stubbornly ignorant and dishonest H-believer. The REALITY is that: ~ the Hรถfle telegram is the ONLY supposedly deciphered intercept that was ever sent concerning the alleged programme to mass-murder 11 million Jews. In other words, we are asked to believe that the Third Reich high command and โEndlรถsungโ operatives NEVER sent any other unequivocal messages by paper or by coded messages about such a huge operation. Self-delusional โbelieversโ in the Holocaust mass-gassing โJew genocideโ narrative think that makes sense. It doesnโt. And Raul Hilberg is the only H-believer who had the honesty to admit it doesnโt make sense, and so invented the explanation that the whole policy and all the necessary logistical issues were sorted using โtelepathic mind-readingโ. ~ even the Hรถfle telegram itself โ if it is genuine โ is not unequivocally referring to the supposed programme to mass-murder 11 million Jews. It needs โinterpretingโ. Both i.) the numbers have to be adjusted to fit, AND ii.) what the initials supposedly represent have to be interpreted RETROACTIVELY to fit the belief-system. So the Hรถfle telegram is a good example of just how weak the actual โevidenceโ is for this โbelief-systemโ. Itโs up there alongside us being xpected to believe that the whole operation was planned and executed using โeuphemismsโ, yet simultaneously we are expected to believe that Hitler wrote about his โgenocideโ plan in โMein kampfโ and even declared it to the world in recorded public broadcasts. ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 17:30:27 GMT
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Indeed, the telegram is a flimsy foundation to build the myth upon. First there's a demonstrable mistake and then the guilty party must be identified as British. Then, according to Irving, there's the question of if the telegram is even genuine. I think that Hoefle's telegram comes under the heading of "damfino" rather than a solid fact.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 17:35:37 GMT
I was an intercept operator for the ASA/NSA. I understand very well the propensity that radio operators have for mistakes. That would be compounded with the enigma machine being used. I have not-so-fond memories of idiots who couldn't copy and the endless collations. Don't try to bull[excrement] me about the ins and outs of radio intercept.
BTW, people usually distinguish between an honest mistake and an in your face lie.
So now you know why the figures given in the British typed intercept, often referred to as the "Hofle Telegram" do not tally. It would make more sense to call it the Hofle intercept, so that people realise it was typed up by someone at Bletchley.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 18:10:38 GMT
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Yes and it was sent by a German radio op and received by another. That's assuming that Hoefle did in fact send a telegram.
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