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Post by Turnagain on Jan 28, 2022 18:47:33 GMT
Here is the translation of the relevant portion of the telegram: That can be broken into two parts: 1. Recorded arrivals for December: L ...........................12,761 B ..................................0 S ...............................515 T ...........................10,355 Total.......................23,631 2. Recorded arrivals for 1942. L.............................24,733 B...........................434,508 S...........................101,370 T.............................71,355 Totals..................1,274,166 It's assumed that the total is correct and the number for T, 71,355, is the incorrect number and should have an extra five added to it as a correction. Why is that? Why should the total be assumed correct? It seems more likely that the person who did the addition added an extra "5" to the "T" total and came up with a incorrect grand total.
My reasoning follows. If the 71,355 total is divided by 5.5, approximately the number of months Treblinka (T) had been in operation we get an average of just under 13,000 (12,973) or close to the actual number of December arrivals at "T". A reduction in activity would be normal for the holiday. I contend that the total number of deportees to the camps is 613,966 not the incorrect 1,274,166 that requires an extra "5" stuck onto the "T" number.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 29, 2022 9:16:13 GMT
The Korherr Report, Jan 1943, a month after the Hofle Telegram, Part V states;
"Number passed through the camps in the General Government 1,274,166" The camps L, B, S and T were in the General Government. Either the person who typed up the report, or the person who typed the intercept, made a mistake. Since Korherr uses the same total as Hofle, it is more likely that the person who typed out the intercepted message made the mistake. The total is correct, as it is corroborated by Korherr. Furthermore, an addition of the ghetto transports to TII is far more than 71,355 by the end of 1942. The Warsaw ghetto alone accounts for c320,000 people sent to TII by the end of 1942.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 29, 2022 9:40:27 GMT
The Stroop report is a fake and can't be relied upon. Just two instances: the Germans didn't have a 2.2 cm anti-aircraft gun. Neither would they be shooting a WW I Polish howitzer at a bombed out building. That's just two instances and there were other mistakes such as a general sending a photo of a little boy being threatened by an armed soldier. Stroop would at least have been familiar with his own armament.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 29, 2022 9:45:09 GMT
The Stroop report is a fake and can't be relied upon. Just two instances: the Germans didn't have a 2.2 cm anti-aircraft gun. Neither would they be shooting a WW I Polish howitzer at a bombed out building. That's just two instances and there were other mistakes such as a general sending a photo of a little boy being threatened by an armed soldier. Stroop would at least have been familiar with his own armament. I did not mention the Stroop Report as it is from 1943 and not in the chronology of Hofle and Korherr. I mentioned Korherr and the records from ghettos of where transports were sent when those ghettos were being closed down. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 29, 2022 10:10:22 GMT
OK, let's see the records.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 29, 2022 14:54:09 GMT
OK, let's see the records. I posted a link above. Korherr corroborates the 1,274,166 figure in his report, released less than a month after the Hofle Telegram. Hofle obviously provided Korherr with that figure. Whoever decoded and typed out the intercept at Bletchley, missed out one number. Your hypothesis is wrong. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 2:05:45 GMT
Jeezus H, but Nessie uses Wiki as his source of "true and factual information".
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Post by Ulios on Jan 30, 2022 3:52:02 GMT
Jeezus H, but Nessie uses Wiki as his source of "true and factual information". Where is the exermination camp Wolzek that Hoess described in his trial. Why is W not on the Hoeffle telegram. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 9:15:47 GMT
Jeezus H, but Nessie uses Wiki as his source of "true and factual information". Plenty use Wikipedia, when you can see how the article information was sourced.
You have made a mistake and should just admit it. The Hofle Telegram is evidence c1.27 million were sent to the AR camps by the end of 1942.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 9:16:55 GMT
Jeezus H, but Nessie uses Wiki as his source of "true and factual information". Where is the exermination camp Wolzek that Hoess described in his trial. Why is W not on the Hoeffle telegram. Hoess was not part of AR, he did not know the correct names of the AR camps. |
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Post by Ulios on Jan 30, 2022 9:26:37 GMT
Where is the exermination camp Wolzek that Hoess described in his trial. Why is W not on the Hoeffle telegram. Hoess was not part of AR, he did not know the correct names of the AR camps. He mentioned Treblinka, Belzak (Belzec) and Wolzek; perhaps this Wolzek was the extermination camp Kosow Podlaski aka Wolski |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 9:55:08 GMT
The point is, Nessie, that the much of the premise of the Treblinka holyhoax is built on questionable data. At "T", there were 10,355 arrivals for December and the total was 71,355. Both the number for December's arrivals and the total for the year end with the digits, "355". Did 61,000 deportees arrive at Treblinka in the previous months or did 1,263,811? Did Koherr accept faulty data as correct? There is also the possibility that the Hoefle telegram is itself a forged document according to David Irving.
Edit: A correction. At "T" there were 10,335 arrivals not 10,355 and total of 61,020 for "T". |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 10:16:48 GMT
The point is, Nessie, that the much of the premise of the Treblinka holyhoax is built on questionable data. At "T", there were 10,355 arrivals for December and the total was 71,355. Both the number for December's arrivals and the total for the year end with the digits, "355". Did 61,000 deportees arrive at Treblinka in the previous months or did 1,263,811? Did Koherr accept faulty data as correct? There is also the possibility that the Hoefle telegram is itself a forged document according to David Irving. You are clearly ignorant of what the Hofle Telegram actually is!
On the 11th January 1943, Hofle sent a telegram, coded using the Enigma coding machine, via radio message, to the head of the Security Police. That radio message was intercepted by the British, decoded, translated and typed out as shown in the link above. At that time its significance was not realised, because in 1943, hardly anything was known about AR. It was whist archive messages were being read in 2000, that the significance was understood, because by then what had happened at the AR camps was better known.
The mistake was not Hofle's, it was a mistake made by whoever it was who decoded and typed up the intercept. Hofle sent Korherr the correct figures, since Korherr went on to use 1,274,166.
You have made a mistake, not realising the error in the telegram was made by the British when they intercepted the message.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 10:35:29 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Or the German who transmitted the message over the Enigma machine made a mistake. There's no guarantee that the British intercept op or the person who made the transcript made the mistake. The point is that the data that hoaxers rely so heavily on is suspect. What can't you understand about the statement, "Somebody made a mistake".
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 12:06:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: Or the German who transmitted the message over the Enigma machine made a mistake. There's no guarantee that the British intercept op or the person who made the transcript made the mistake. The point is that the data that hoaxers rely so heavily on is suspect. What can't you understand about the statement, "Somebody made a mistake". Since Korherr accepted the total of 1,274,166 from the addition he was given and the chance of errors when decoding from Enigma, it is far more likely that the British made the mistake.
It is bizarre you ask me about witnesses making mistakes, since normally you refuse to accept they make mistakes and use any errors to suggest lying. You make plenty of mistakes, which by your definition, makes you a liar.
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