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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 12:25:46 GMT
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 12:37:23 GMT
What's your point, Nessie?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 12:45:20 GMT
What's your point, Nessie? The same point that is made repeatedly to revisionists, as they try to convince themselves that mass cremations as described at the AR camps were physically impossible. There is evidence of similar mass cremations at other camps, such as Birkenau and Ohrdruf and at Dresden in more recent times Tibet.
Just because you think that the descriptions of the AR camp pyres mean there was not enough fuel used, is just an illogical argument.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 13:08:48 GMT
Uh-huh, 2-3,000 cadavers were piled on some railroad rails about 1.5X30 meters long and totally cremated by the eeevul Narzis using twigs and brush for fuel, their carbonized bones crushed into granules, sifted for bigger pieces and re-crushed for burial in the 30-40 feet deep graves. That's why bone shards can be found at the surface to this day.
BTW, the first photo of the bodies in Eisenhower's collection were the victims of an allied air raid.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 13:28:43 GMT
Uh-huh, 2-3,000 cadavers were piled on some railroad rails about 1.5X30 meters long and totally cremated by the eeevul Narzis using twigs and brush for fuel, their carbonized bones crushed into granules, sifted for bigger pieces and re-crushed for burial in the 30-40 feet deep graves. That's why bone shards can be found at the surface to this day. You have ignored the witnesses who describe "wood" being used, or do not say and have concentrated on the witnesses who use words such as "brushwood", to suggest hardly any wood was used. You insist on taking witnesses literally, despite the fact that everyone, including you, use hyperbole and turns of phrase and should not be taken literally. That does not matter, so were the dead at Dresden. The issue is how little wood can be used to cremate bodies on pyres using rails. The animal pyres are just a similar method, which evidences such pyres can vary in construction and fuel used, but still work. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 14:50:22 GMT
It was claimed that twigs the size of toothpicks, brush, brushwood, and camp detritus was used to fuel the magic Jew barbeque. The Frenchman who wrote of enough wood to build some small campfires was found to being writing fiction. Long way from 175 tons of coal, 2,250 liters of diesel and four tons of straw used to incinerate the 300 culled cattle in Britain. Your excuse that the alleged eyewitnesses were just using a turn of phrase is complete bullshit. Nobody is going to try for a humorous or witty phrase when they're supposedly writing a serious history book about mass murder.
The Germans were going for incineration/charring in an attempt to prevent disease. The eevul Narzis at Treblinka had to completely cremate the victims and process their carbonized bones in order to leave no trace of their supposedly foul deeds. Those two functions were completely different. What do you would suppose would happen if the bereaved were given an incinerated or partially burned body after a cremation rather than an urn containing cremains? You try to weasel dodge and conflate the two processes.
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Post by been_there on Jan 27, 2022 14:50:42 GMT
....Yes, the logistics involved in the disposal of millions of bodies is not something that H-believers seem to be able to get their heads around. Just check out this assessment: A typical pyre for 300 cows had the following: — 175 tonnes of coal, — 380 railway sleepers, — 250 pallets, — 4 tonnes of straw and — 2,250 litres of diesel. That needs verifying, since the numerous photos online of cattle burning during foot and mouth show images of cows, with nothing like that amount of fuel.  🙄🤦♂️ Pits!!! They dug pits! Those photos are NOT showing bodies lying on pyres built on the ground. They put fuel (coal, pallets, straw, etc.,) in the pits then put carcasses on top and drenched them in diesel! The pits were visible in the ‘Foot and mouth’ cull documentary. This reply I regard as further proof that many online H-believers really have no idea of the logistics or the details of the narrative that they are believing and relentlessly, stubbornly, ignorantly defending. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 15:22:51 GMT
It was claimed that twigs the size of toothpicks, brush, brushwood, and camp detritus was used to fuel the magic Jew barbeque. Heinrich Gley said "First a wood fire was kindled under the iron grate." Heinrich Matthes said "The wood was doused with petrol." Franz Stangl said "When the cremation grates were there, fire was kindled in the corpse pits to cremate the corpses on top" Name and quote him. The first site examination found larger human remains and more was found when the site was memorialised in the 1960s. By the 2000s, only cremains were being found on the surface, as larger identifiable remains had been reburied. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 15:27:56 GMT
.... Pits!!! They dug pits! Those photos are NOT showing bodies lying on pyres built on the ground. They put fuel (coal, pallets, straw, etc.,) in the pits then put carcasses on top and drenched them in diesel! The pits were visible in the ‘Foot and mouth’ cull documentary. This reply I regard as further proof that many online H-believers really have no idea of the logistics or the details of the narrative that they are believing and relentlessly, stubbornly, ignorantly defending. Pits were used at Birkenau and the Tibetan pyres and the Dresden pyres has only a few feet, if that, between the corpses and the ground. Between those places and Ohrdruf and the foot and mouth pyres, it is clear that varying amounts of fuel can be used, but the technique is very similar. Doubts about the possibility of the AR camp pyres are false. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 15:58:54 GMT
Jeezus H, Nessie has to throw the Germans who had no say in their testimony into the mix.
The Frenchman is the only person to use the term "wood" in relation to the magic Jew barbeque besides the Germans so YOU look him up if you want.
Yeah, Lukaszkiewcz claimed to have found about 300 bodies. So what? How did the other 900,000 (or whatever) get cremated? Not charred but CREMATED and their carbonized bones pulverized?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 16:09:31 GMT
Jeezus H, Nessie has to throw the Germans who had no say in their testimony into the mix. You quote Nazis who say brushwood was used! What Frenchman? His report references larger human remains, ash and a terrible smell from an area of 2 hectares and up to 7m deep. holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_3633.html"Cremation remains were crushed with a special machine, the description of which suggests a ball mill[11]. According to O’Neil, this machine was borrowed from Janowska concentration camp and resembled a cement mixer with heavy iron balls inside the revolving drum; as the drum revolved at high speed, the metal balls crushed the bone material into small fragments." "Around the turn of the year 1942/1943, following instructions from higher up, the bodies started being burned. At first a burning grid was made out of the trolley rails still available. However, these could not bear the weight of the mountains of corpses. Thereupon a bigger grid was erected by the gas chamber building, which was made of railway rails placed on concrete foundations. At first there were difficulties also with this burning installation. As a specialist for such burnings an Unterführer by the name of Floss came to Treblinka, who after some experiments brought the grid into the right position. In a pit underneath the grid a wood fire was maintained. The corpses were now placed upon the grid in layers and burned" |
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Post by Hüntinger on Jan 27, 2022 19:25:17 GMT
Yeah, Lukaszkiewcz claimed to have found about 300 bodies. So what? How did the other 900,000 (or whatever) get cremated? Not charred but CREMATED and their carbonized bones pulverized? This is correct, no one appears to be arguing that no bodies were burned, it is the magnitude that is under discussion. It seems Nessie has equated any burned body with mass murder without any convincing evidence of this. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 19:34:00 GMT
Yeah, Lukaszkiewcz claimed to have found about 300 bodies. So what? How did the other 900,000 (or whatever) get cremated? Not charred but CREMATED and their carbonized bones pulverized? This is correct, no one appears to be arguing that no bodies were burned, it is the magnitude that is under discussion. It seems Nessie has equated any burned body with mass murder without any convincing evidence of this. Wrong way round. It is you who has convinced yourself that there is insufficient evidence, whilst ignoring the scale of the evidence. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jan 28, 2022 6:15:33 GMT
It is you who has convinced yourself that there is insufficient evidence, whilst ignoring the scale of the evidence. Please present your evidence if you have it and then leave it. It is not your place to say others have convinced themselves; that is off topic btw. Others have shown the board the amount of fuel practical burning of carcasses need. All you have said is that you cannot see this in the photos. Not convincing at all to be frank. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 7, 2022 16:25:16 GMT
This is correct, no one appears to be arguing that no bodies were burned, it is the magnitude that is under discussion. It seems Nessie has equated any burned body with mass murder without any convincing evidence of this. Wrong way round. It is you who has convinced yourself that there is insufficient evidence, whilst ignoring the scale of the evidence. The tall tales of treblinka et al are equally evidence of a intention to deceive. This is corroborated by the fact that no photograph, murder weapon, or bodies exist today. |
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