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Post by nazgul on Aug 31, 2022 9:02:04 GMT
We can now discount Rajchman as a witness; thank you Nessie. No court, or historians would discount the entirety of a witnesses evidence, based on one obviously figurative description, of the horror of seeing a mass grave full of corpses, catching fire. Two Nazi witnesses also describe graves on fire. There is physical evidence of buried, cremated human remains at the location where the three witnesses say the grave caught fire.
When a witness describes something in a way that is unbelievable and physically impossible, it does not therefore mean they are lying. It is other evidence that determines if they are lying. Rajchman's too incredible to believe description is corroborated by two other descriptions and the physical evidence. Therefore, Rajchman is telling the truth, he just used emotive and figurative language.
This is not a court. There is no reason to suggest that the rest of his fables are not "figurative descriptions" of ineptitude. I doubt if he saw mass graves at all except in his imagination as you are prone as well.
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Post by been_there on Sept 1, 2022 5:05:43 GMT
So you say. But you regularly lie. You claim I regularly lie and then, as usual, you provide no evidence to back up your claim. Here we can see that I provided an example of one of Nessieโs many lies. But in the same post Nessie claims I โas usual provide no evidenceโ of that. This is not only another โillogical argumentโ (the subject matter of this topic-thread), but is yet another deranged denial of simple and basic objective reality. This and the denial of Rajchmanโs claim to have seen blood from the corpses of of 250,000 buried joos burning for 24 hours, demonstrates a profound disconnect from reality. Something that I suggest is a necessary requirement for anyone who actually studies the evidence for the holocaust mass-gassing hoax, and still insists it to be an accurate history. Ironically proving that it is holocaust promoters who are: โ the real โdeniersโ โ the onesโs who lie to maintain an irrational belief, โ hold stubbornly to a belief that is not only denial of reality โ but is motivated by โhateโ (hate of mythologicalised โNaztiesโ and anyone who exposes their deranged nonsense).
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Post by Nessie on Sept 1, 2022 8:18:47 GMT
You claim I regularly lie and then, as usual, you provide no evidence to back up your claim. Here we can see that I provided an example of one of Nessieโs many lies. But in the same post Nessie claims I โas usual provide no evidenceโ of that. This is not only another โillogical argumentโ (the subject matter of this topic-thread), but is yet another deranged denial of simple and basic objective reality. Where was your evidence that Turnagain does not regularly lie? All you did was make an assertion, which I proved wrong. No, it shows that your grasp of English interpretation is poor and you lack understanding of evidencing. More assertions, with no evidence.
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Post by been_there on Sept 1, 2022 15:12:15 GMT
Here we can see that I provided an example of one of Nessieโs many lies. But in the same post Nessie claims I โ as usual provide no evidenceโ of that. This is not only another โillogical argumentโ (the subject matter of this topic-thread), but is yet another deranged denial of simple and basic objective reality. Where was your evidence that Turnagain does not regularly lie? All you did was make an assertion, which I proved wrong. ...More assertions, with no evidence. Wow! Yet another insane reply. ๐ฎ I said that NESSIE regularly lies. I gave an example of a recent lie she/he wrote regarding Turnagain. The one about Nessieโs false claim that T says there is โno evidenceโ. Nessie didnโt prove it wrong. But claims so. And now moves the goalposts to something about โTurnagain does not regularly lieโ!!?? ๐ฎ๐คช Is there anyone following this who genuinely canโt see that this is a person who it is impossible to have a sane discussion with.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 1, 2022 15:53:28 GMT
Where was your evidence that Turnagain does not regularly lie? All you did was make an assertion, which I proved wrong. ...More assertions, with no evidence. Wow! Yet another insane reply. ๐ฎ I said that NESSIE regularly lies. I gave an example of a recent lie she/he wrote regarding Turnagain. The one about Nessieโs false claim that T says there is โno evidenceโ. Nessie didnโt prove it wrong. But claims so. And now moves the goalposts to something about โTurnagain does not regularly lieโ!!?? ๐ฎ๐คช Is there anyone following this who genuinely canโt see that this is a person who it is impossible to have a sane discussion with. Turnagain likes to claim there is "NONE, zip, zero, nada" evidence or proof. Here is a list of the posts where he does that;
In the thread about transport records he said "No records exist for any trains leaving Treblinka. NONE, zip, zero, nada. " But he has been shown Fahrplanordnungs which record the departure time of the transport from TII and the destination of the train once it had left the camp. He knows there are records of trains leaving TII. But he claims there are not. That is a lie.
I am not lying, when I say that Turnagain lies.
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Post by been_there on Sept 1, 2022 16:06:24 GMT
Wow! Yet another insane reply. ๐ฎ I said that NESSIE regularly lies. I gave an example of a recent lie she/he wrote regarding Turnagain. The one about Nessieโs false claim that T says there is โno evidenceโ.Nessie didnโt prove it wrong. But claims so. And now moves the goalposts to something about โTurnagain does not regularly lieโ!!?? ๐ฎ๐คช Is there anyone following this who genuinely canโt see that this is a person who it is impossible to have a sane discussion with. Turnagain likes to claim there is "NONE, zip, zero, nada" evidence or proof. Here is a list of the posts where he does that; First of all, one link is not a list. Secondly, Turnagain did NOT claim โthere is no evidenceโ. So you DID lie when accusing him of that. He actually wrote this: โ(sigh) There's no proof of any mass graves capable of containing ~700,000 cadavers at Treblinka. NONE, zip, zero, nada. What can't you understand about the simple statement.โSo you lied about him, and then lied to cover that up by cutting out the part where he wrote what evidence he SPECIFIED was absent. So this is again evidence that it is YOU who are lying. And doing that to an insanely transparent degree. It is literally lunatic behaviour. You appear to have totally gone over the edge of what ever little sanity you were clinging on to. And now that I have demonstrated this, you will probably revert to censoring this evidence of your lying by removing this. CENSORSHIP: It is a typical H-promoter/H-defender tactic. Naturally, as you collectively have no credible evidence nor honest reply to reasoned debate.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 1, 2022 16:24:54 GMT
Turnagain likes to claim there is "NONE, zip, zero, nada" evidence or proof. Here is a list of the posts where he does that; First of all, one link is not a list. That link goes to four pages of posts by Turnagain. Here is a thread dedicated to his claims about no evidence; rodoh.info/thread/389/claims-suggestions-evidenceYou have cherry-picked a time when said there was no proof and then he claims there is no proof of graves, cremains and ash. Fact is, there is ample evidence to prove all three at TII. I remove posts were you abuse and make no effort to add to the debate. This is an example of Turnagain's lying. rodoh.info/post/10315He said "there AREN'T ANY RECORDS OF TRAINS ENTERING OR LEAVING TREBLINKA. (except for the fahrplanaordnung trains)". He lies and then admits he is lying. He knows there are records of trains entering and leaving from the Fahrplanordnungs, but he claims there are no records. Those records are evidence. He has lied there is no evidence. The insane one is you, trying to claim I am lying that Turnagain lies, when I have posted examples of his lying.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 3, 2022 7:39:03 GMT
This thread is about what is physically possible, there is another thread to discuss the transports. Turnagain has been lying about a lack of records, to divert attention from the lack of evidence of mass transports from TII of c840,000 to the Lublin district. It is physically impossible for so many people to be transported and accommodated and that to leave no evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 12, 2022 8:37:17 GMT
A reminder that this thread is about the physical impossibility of a claim.
Those who claim the Nazis built gas chambers, dug large pits and set cremation pyres are not claiming something that is physically impossible to do.
Those who claim the Nazis transported millions of Jews, who had not been gassed, to somewhere unknown, whilst leaving no evidence and then keeping silent about they had done, are claiming something physically impossible.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 12, 2022 13:36:00 GMT
A reminder that this thread is about the physical impossibility of a claim. Those who claim the Nazis built gas chambers, dug large pits and set cremation pyres are not claiming something that is physically impossible to do. Those who claim the Nazis transported millions of Jews, who had not been gassed, to somewhere unknown, whilst leaving no evidence and then keeping silent about they had done, are claiming something physically impossible. Nobody claims that the Germans built gas chambers, dug large pits, exhumed bodies and cremated them as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. There are several dozen supposed witnesses to Treblinka being an extermination facility but Nessie can't name a single witness that tells a coherent story about the murderous events that supposedly took place in Treblinka. "WHAT IF" the little boy riding a tricycle to the moon was a NASA project. Then it "COULDA" happened.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 12, 2022 14:30:07 GMT
A reminder that this thread is about the physical impossibility of a claim. Those who claim the Nazis built gas chambers, dug large pits and set cremation pyres are not claiming something that is physically impossible to do. Those who claim the Nazis transported millions of Jews, who had not been gassed, to somewhere unknown, whilst leaving no evidence and then keeping silent about they had done, are claiming something physically impossible. Nobody claims that the Germans built gas chambers, dug large pits, exhumed bodies and cremated them as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. There are several dozen supposed witnesses to Treblinka being an extermination facility but Nessie can't name a single witness that tells a coherent story about the murderous events that supposedly took place in Treblinka. "WHAT IF" the little boy riding a tricycle to the moon was a NASA project. Then it "COULDA" happened. You take the witnesses very literally and ignore obvious use of figurative descriptions, as your excuse to disbelieve them. You ignore or misrepresent the descriptions you cannot dispute, such as Wiernik's description of how the gas chamber worked. You then make a false analogy.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 12, 2022 16:26:26 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Eliahu Rosenberg testified under oath that the gas chamber was "absolutely hermetically sealed". He claimed to be an eyewitness to the entire process and helped to unload the dead bodies from the gas chamber. He described in some detail how the doors functioned and how "clins" were used to secure the unloading doors.
What was Rosenberg's "figurative description" that I'm taking too literally?
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Post by Nessie on Sept 12, 2022 16:30:12 GMT
Nessie wrote: Eliahu Rosenberg testified under oath that the gas chamber was "absolutely hermetically sealed". He claimed to be an eyewitness to the entire process and helped to unload the dead bodies from the gas chamber. He described in some detail how the doors functioned and how "clins" were used to secure the unloading doors. What was Rosenberg's "figurative description" that I'm taking too literally? It is obvious to most, that Rosenberg is wrong and of course the chambers were not absolutely sealed, or else how was the gas pumped in? You are taking his claim too literally.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 12, 2022 17:17:35 GMT
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It wasn't "obvious to most" or even obvious to anyone at the Eichmann trial where Rosenberg gave his testimony. Nobody questioned his claim that the gas chamber was hermetically sealed. They obviously took his testimony quite literally. Why should I make allowances for his "mistakes" and not take him literally?
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Post by Nessie on Sept 12, 2022 18:23:06 GMT
Nessie wrote: It wasn't "obvious to most" or even obvious to anyone at the Eichmann trial where Rosenberg gave his testimony. Nobody questioned his claim that the gas chamber was hermetically sealed. They obviously took his testimony quite literally. Why should I make allowances for his "mistakes" and not take him literally? Those at the trial understood he meant that the chamber was hermetically sealed to prevent leaks, which makes sense.
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