Illogical arguments - what is actually impossible?

I would like you to stop waffling and explain why it is rational to believe in the physically impossible transportation and accommodation of c2.5 million people, without leaving any evidence of that happening.

It has happened, but since it is not what you want to hear, you have thought up excuses to reject all the evidence that proves mass gassings, burials and cremations.



It is half that and those destinations were labour camps in Poland and it amounts to a tiny proportion of people sent to TII.



You try to make out that limited selections to go to Polish labour camps is evidence TII was a transit camp that sent hundreds of thousands of people to other unknown places.



The death camp evidence is from

- every single witness who was inside or worked near to the camp. That includes the witnesses you try to claim are credible.
- multiple documents recording mass transports to the camp, with no corresponding documentary evidence of mass transports back out.
- all of the archaeological evidence, which proves large areas of disturbed ground where witnesses said mass graves were dug, and large amounts of cremated and identifiable human remains.
- the circumstantial evidence of Action Reinhardt and the theft of the last of the Jews property, which is consistent with gassing, not resettlement

You ignore much of the evidence and then ignore your total lack of evidence for the regular mass transports. You claim it was possible to transport and accommodate c850,000 people without leaving any evidence.

Give me a link to where I have used hearsay or rumour as evidence. Failure to do so will be taken as your admission you have yet again made up an allegation against me.



There are also the Ganzenmuller letter, Stroop Report and all of the ghetto records including the Warsaw shuttle train record. You have been told about those records on multiple previosu occasions and yet again, you pretend to forget.



You know what I mean, we have discussed the evidence from the Polish and later investigations and the huge areas of disturbed ground they found.



How about you link to and quote the witnesses you believe? Oh, yes, you refuse to! You want to pretend that they don't claim TII was a death camp. You want to pretend that when interviewed over 30 years later, the witnesses will have faultless memories about which camps they were at. Your "what if" they were at TII does not cut it.

Yet again, when responding to me, you dodge the physically impossible claims you make about mass transports and accommodation. Why is that?

Nessie wrote:

I have linked to the Hunt video more times than I can count. Nessie pretends that I haven't. Not all of the witnesses say anything about Treblinka being a death camp. The ones who do have NO eyewitness accounts of anyone being killed at Treblinka. They are simply repeating rumors, hearsay. I haven't ever "pretended" that the witnesses didn't think that they were in a "death camp". Nessie is just plain lying about that.


I make NO "what if" claim about where the witnesses were sent. I simply take their statements that they were in Treblinka at face value. Nessie makes the "what if" they were mistaken about being in Treblinka claim.


(sigh) The witnesses SAID they were in Treblinka. Three of the witnesses SAID that they left Treblinka in full trainloads of deportees. According to conventional wisdom that would be 15-18,000 people who left in full trainloads. Then there are the deportees who left Treblinka accompanied by various numbers of deportees. Therefore, there's witness testimony that somewhere between 15-20,000 deportees are known to have left Treblinka alive. That is a far cry from Arad et al. who claim that only a few hundred escaped from Treblinka and less than a hundred survived the escape attempt.

Someone has been abusing moderator status again and blacked me from replying in another thread.

rodoh.freeforums.net/post/3739/thread

Turnagain, in response to my pointing out that digging pits etc are not tasks beyond the abilities of the Germans during WII has said



Holocaust denial cannot evidence its claims. Instead, it relies on the use of the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity. Because the deniers interpret the witness claims in the most literal manner, often cherry-picking the obviously incorrect claims, they think that they can argue because the witness claims appear too ridiculous to believe, therefore they are all lying, therefore no gassings, graves and cremations. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will recognise their use of that fallacy and understand how stupid that is. Because witness evidence is inherently the least reliable form of evidence, whether something happened or not, cannot be determined purely from witness descriptions.

Interestingly, deniers steer clear of the witnesses who designed and engineered the Kremas at A-B. They are exceptional as witnesses, because they knew exactly how the Kremas worked as gas chambers and for mass cremations, because they designed them. Nothing those engineers said is challenged by any denier, because the German engineers describe what happened there in detail and in a way that was not emotive or can otherwise be disputed. It was a pretty simple engineering challenge to add holes to the Krema roofs, make the inside look like a shower, fit gas tight doors and windows (as applicable to the Krema), fit a ventilation system and engineer ovens capable of mass cremations. One of the engineers even patented his oven design, he was that pleased with it.

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=61650

As for digging pits, the witnesses simply said that excavators were used. That is hardly ridiculous. They hardly go into any detail about the exhumations, but it is not ridiculous for excavators to be used to dig over the graves, uncover bodies and then Sonderkommados go and remove them to the pyres.

The use of metal rails and wood for pyres is recorded at Dresden and in Tibet. Witness descriptions tell us that it did not need as much wood as expected and the site was horrific. Witnesses from outside the camps, who did not see how the pyres were set, describe months of cremations and the smoke and stench. That is just like the mass pyres during foot and mouth outbreaks.

Turnagain uses an illogical argument. Deniers are reliant on that argument and repeat it, despite having its lack of logic explained, such is their desperation to believe.

What is the lie you allege?