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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 18:12:56 GMT
Nessie assumes that the Germans brought the full weight of their war effort to bear solely on Treblinka. The question of what the Germans "coulda" done doesn't enter into it. Nessie claims that all of the testimony by witnesses is irrelevant. The Germans "coulda" done it so they did. As I said before, there's no doubt that thermonuclear bombs can be built but nobody is going to build and test one in their basement. The submarine pens in France are still there. Many have been repurposed but the excavations and reinforced concrete proved too much to remove. You are assuming the same level of engineering skill and commitment of resources to Treblinka. According to the alleged eyewitnesses that didn't happen and you now dismiss their testimony as irrelevant. Why are you now dismissing that testimony, Nessie?
Stop pretending that a basic building with a number of rooms, made out of bricks, concrete and tiles, with wood doors and a roof, with an engine that is connected to the rooms with a series of pipes, is such a construction project that the Germans could not do it. The gas chambers were nothing like the scale of the submarine pens.
Yet again, you refuse to discuss the impossibility of transporting and accommodating c2.5 million people without leaving any evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 30, 2022 18:25:21 GMT
Quit pretending that the hermetically sealed gas chamber that used CO from a captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent ever existed. Quit pretending that the giant graves were ever excavated, whole bodies exhumed with a clamshell and the cadavers completely cremated on a grate using nothing but twigs, brush, brushwood or camp detritus for fuel. Only if you completely disregard the testimony of the alleged witnesses can any sense be made for the claims that ~900,000 Jews were gassed, buried, exhumed, cremated and their cremains reburied at Treblinka.
How many times do you have to be told that you've accused the Germans of mass murder and have failed to prove it? Your fairy tale has been proven a lie so why should I care where your Jews went? Sell that "Where did they gooooooo?" down the effing street.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2022 19:37:21 GMT
Quit pretending that the hermetically sealed gas chamber that used CO from a captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent ever existed. Quit pretending that the giant graves were ever excavated, whole bodies exhumed with a clamshell and the cadavers completely cremated on a grate using nothing but twigs, brush, brushwood or camp detritus for fuel. Only if you completely disregard the testimony of the alleged witnesses can any sense be made for the claims that ~900,000 Jews were gassed, buried, exhumed, cremated and their cremains reburied at Treblinka. How many times do you have to be told that you've accused the Germans of mass murder and have failed to prove it? Your fairy tale has been proven a lie so why should I care where your Jews went? Sell that "Where did they gooooooo?" down the effing street. Your methodology for assessing evidence is not credible. You have a belief that disregards all the evidence as to what did happen inside the AR camps and which accepts a version of events that is not evidenced t have happened.
You know that the claims the Germans could construct gas chambers, dig large pits and set pyres are physically possible. You also know your claims of mass transportation and accommodation with no evidence is physically impossible.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 31, 2022 1:08:46 GMT
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Right, Jews leaving Treblinka by the trainload isn't evidence that Jews left Treblinka. Got it.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 31, 2022 9:44:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: Right, Jews leaving Treblinka by the trainload isn't evidence that Jews left Treblinka. Got it. Even you admit that at best, about 2% of those who arrived at TII are evidenced to have left (20,000 out of 840,000). Only 2% of people leaving the camp is evidence it was not a transit camp, because transit camps were where people temporarily gathered, to them be moved on elsewhere. The denier suggestion is that those people were being transited to be resettled in the east, but the 2% you admit are evidenced to have left went south or west to labour camps in Poland. No one is evidenced to have gone east and no one is evidenced to have been resettled.
So few people leaving, and I say it is around 1% who left, not the 2% you claim, and those people going to labour camps still inside Poland, is not evidence TII was functioning as a transit camp. Furthermore, there is no evidence from inside TII of it being a transit camp. Every single person who worked there described people being mass murdered inside chambers, mass graves, cremations and the theft of all of the people's property. Even the people you try to use as witness to TII being a transit camp say it was a death camp.
What we know from the other camps with gas chambers, is that on arrival, some were selected to work. At A-B that could be as high as a third of all who arrived. At the AR camps it was very few. The evidence is consistent with a worker selection process, not those places being transit camps.
Since the 1% of left TII left behind evidence, from some documents and survivors, it stands to reason if c840-860,000 left the camp, there would be far more documents and survivors, plus there would need to be massive places to accommodate so many. Instead, there is no evidence at all. It is physically impossible to do that without leaving evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 31, 2022 18:07:55 GMT
Curious how you claim that a handful of unidentified and tiny bone shards is evidence of ~900,000 people being gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated while 20,000 people who are known to have left Treblinka aren't evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp. You claim that it's only 2% of the total sent to T-II so it doesn't count. There were 2-2,500 tons of cremains supposedly buried at T-II so 2% of that would be 40-50 tons of cremains. Where's your evidence, your 2%, your 40-50 tons of cremains?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 31, 2022 18:33:50 GMT
Curious how you claim that a handful of unidentified and tiny bone shards is evidence of ~900,000 people being gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated... You are misrepresenting my actual claim. The finding of cremated remains is not evidence of how many died and what they died from. The bits of bone found during the walk over survey is evidence that cremations took place and since decades later, bits of bone can still be found on the surface, that is evidence more is still buried below, as more appears after it rains. That is because of the evidence from those witnesses. You have misinterpreted their evidence and ignored that they say TII was a death camp and that they were separated from others and taken to work in labour camps. The small amount of remains found at the camp, is evidence that is consistent with other evidence of mass cremations and burying the cremated remains. The small amount of people who left the camp, is evidence that is consistent with other evidence of a worker selection process. There is no evidence that it was a transit camp.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 1, 2022 23:26:45 GMT
Nessie wrote:
A tiny handful of unidentified bone shards isn't evidence of 900,000 people being cremated but it is "consistent" with 900,000 people being cremated. Spare us such idiocy. You don't even know whether the Hoefle telegram is authentic or a forgery.
Nessie doesn't know how many people actually passed through the camp but he "knows" is was only a "small amount". Nobody transited through Treblinka. They only got "selected" through Treblinka. That's WAY different from people just arriving at Treblinka, staying a short while and leaving on a train.
Actually, there's more evidence for Treblinka being a transit camp than for being an extermination facility.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 9:18:07 GMT
Nessie wrote: A tiny handful of unidentified bone shards isn't evidence of 900,000 people being cremated but it is "consistent" with 900,000 people being cremated. Spare us such idiocy. You don't even know whether the Hoefle telegram is authentic or a forgery. That cremains are still found on the surface of the ground, decades later, is consistent with large amounts of cremains being buried. There is evidence that 6-9000 passed through. There is no evidence of a transit camp sending regular mass transports to the east. There is evidence of a death camp, with some selections for workers to go to labour camps west and south in Poland. Your claim of regular mass transports, and subsequent accommodation of so many people, without any evidence, is physically impossible.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 2, 2022 20:53:27 GMT
Right, unidentified bone shards lying on the surface of the site is evidence that the cremains of 900,000 people were buried in pits 30-40 feet deep. CS-C said so, so it must be true.
There is testimony from credible witnesses that at least three (3) trainloads of deportees left Treblinka. Conventional wisdom says that a German trainload of Jews was 5-6,000 people. Then there are the witnesses who state that they left Treblinka accompanied by from a hundred to several hundred other deportees. Nessie is apparently claiming that only one (1) trainload of deportees left Treblinka. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 10:52:59 GMT
Right, unidentified bone shards lying on the surface of the site is evidence that the cremains of 900,000 people were buried in pits 30-40 feet deep. CS-C said so, so it must be true. Bits of cremated bone still being found on the surface, decades later, is evidence of buried cremated remains. Please go through what those witnesses said, and show how they are credible. Names and direct links to quotes are required, or else your claim is just a made up one. You know the list Eric Hunt compiled and it lists how many transports and how many were estimated on each one. There were at most 40 such transports, with at most an estimated few hundred on any particular one. The sum total of those transports is 6-9,000 people, depending on whether the lower or higher estimate for each transport is used. There is also the record Mattogno found at Majdanek, recording a few hundred women arriving from TII. You are yet again dodging that those occasional worker transports to labour camps in Poland are evidenced to have happened. It stands to reason that if regular mass transports were leaving, they would also leave evidence. Instead, there is no evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 11:36:59 GMT
Nessie wrote:
You can watch Hunt's video just as easily as anyone else.
You are dodging the fact that a tiny handful of unidentified bone shards isn't evidence that 900,000 people were gassed, cremated and buried in 30-40 feet deep pits.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 14:44:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: You can watch Hunt's video just as easily as anyone else. I have and there is no evidence that they did actually leave TII on a mass transport and they have not just got mixed up which camps they were at. They were interviewed in the early 1980s about something that happened over 35 years previously. For example, Sam Kulawy said he went to A-B and you have been shown the documented mass transport from Malkinia arriving at A-B. That is why you dodge naming and quoting what those witnesses said. I am not dodging and have explained what it is part of the evidence of. You either lack the intelligence to understand evidencing, or you are being disingenuous. You dodge the physical impossibility of transporting c850,000 people over 13 months without leaving any evidence, when transporting at most 9000 did leave evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 16:47:29 GMT
Geez, do ya' mean, "WHAT IF" the witnesses weren't sent to Treblinka? Then trainloads of them "COULDA" been sent from "SOMEWHERE ELSE".
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 17:04:02 GMT
Geez, do ya' mean, "WHAT IF" the witnesses weren't sent to Treblinka? Then trainloads of them "COULDA" been sent from "SOMEWHERE ELSE". Yes, I do mean that. You on the other hand accept evidence that suits your beliefs and dismiss that which does not, without any checking at all. That is why you demand belief in what is physically impossible for the Nazis to have done.
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