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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 9:20:30 GMT
So where did the 4.5 million Jews come from that collected reparations as holyhoax survivors from Germany?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 9:38:58 GMT
So where did the 4.5 million Jews come from that collected reparations as holyhoax survivors from Germany? 1 - evidence 4.5 million have collected reparations 2 - evidence how many were at an AR camp or in a Krema at A-B.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 10:31:51 GMT
If you read Dalton's summation you'll see why its pretty hard to put a figure on it with firm evidence. So it would be foolish and dishonest to put a firm figure on it. It is time-consuming, but not difficult, to go through all the camps liberated by the Allies and tally up how many people were liberated. That simple piece of evidencing would blow the Holocaust out of the water, since it stands to reason if millions of Jews and others were not killed in gas chambers and mass shootings, then millions were being held prisoner and would be liberated at the end of the war.
Your reluctance to look at that evidence speaks volumes. You know that only a few hundred thousand people at most were liberated and the Nazis had not been accommodating millions, which means you know they had been killing all of those people.
Ok, and how many were taken from the villages and ghettos and taken to the camps and how do we know? You're assuming the Nazis took millions of people to death camps, which of course is impossible, and that those that were taken didnt mostly die naturally. Like I said, the numbers issue is unclear, but its not as if the SS would do that sort of thing. That wasnt what they were ever about. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 11, 2022 14:07:20 GMT
From Nessie:
From the Institute of Historical Review:
That was of 1984 so a current total of 4.5 million is reasonable.
From the same source but different article:
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 15:06:07 GMT
It is time-consuming, but not difficult, to go through all the camps liberated by the Allies and tally up how many people were liberated. That simple piece of evidencing would blow the Holocaust out of the water, since it stands to reason if millions of Jews and others were not killed in gas chambers and mass shootings, then millions were being held prisoner and would be liberated at the end of the war.
Your reluctance to look at that evidence speaks volumes. You know that only a few hundred thousand people at most were liberated and the Nazis had not been accommodating millions, which means you know they had been killing all of those people.
Ok, and how many were taken from the villages and ghettos and taken to the camps and how do we know? You're assuming the Nazis took millions of people to death camps, which of course is impossible, and that those that were taken didnt mostly die naturally. Like I said, the numbers issue is unclear, but its not as if the SS would do that sort of thing. That wasnt what they were ever about. If you want to believe the Nazis just left the Jews to live in their homes during WWII, then maybe you should go find some evidence of that. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 15:20:05 GMT
From Nessie: From the Institute of Historical Review: That was of 1984 so a current total of 4.5 million is reasonable. From the same source but different article: The source of the 4.5 million figure is;
"24. Hilberg testimony in Zundel case, Toronto District court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript page 1229. "
Where did he get the figure from? You would not normally trust Hilberg. You need to evidence hundreds of thousands of claims from people who say they were taken to the AR camps or A-B Kremas. You still need to evidence millions of Jews were liberated at the end of the war.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 15:42:51 GMT
Ok, and how many were taken from the villages and ghettos and taken to the camps and how do we know? You're assuming the Nazis took millions of people to death camps, which of course is impossible, and that those that were taken didnt mostly die naturally. Like I said, the numbers issue is unclear, but its not as if the SS would do that sort of thing. That wasnt what they were ever about. If you want to believe the Nazis just left the Jews to live in their homes during WWII, then maybe you should go find some evidence of that. If you want to assume the opposite you're welcome just don't try and foist it on me. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 15:46:44 GMT
If you want to believe the Nazis just left the Jews to live in their homes during WWII, then maybe you should go find some evidence of that. If you want to assume the opposite you're welcome just don't try and foist it on me. I do not make assumptions, I look for evidence. In this thread I am evidencing very few Jews were liberated from the camps, which is opposite to what would have happened if denier claims were correct. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 16:49:16 GMT
If you want to assume the opposite you're welcome just don't try and foist it on me. I do not make assumptions, I look for evidence. In this thread I am evidencing very few Jews were liberated from the camps, which is opposite to what would have happened if denier claims were correct. Ok, how many jews are you looking for in A_B. do you know who they are are and exactly how many and are you stating that they are buried in the boggy ground surrounding the camp? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 16:55:03 GMT
I do not make assumptions, I look for evidence. In this thread I am evidencing very few Jews were liberated from the camps, which is opposite to what would have happened if denier claims were correct. Ok, how many jews are you looking for in A_B. do you know who they are are and exactly how many and are you stating that they are buried in the boggy ground surrounding the camp? If there were no mass gassings, I would expect the Birkenau "Mexico" extension to have been completed and the camp to have 130,000 plus prisoners, not 9000. I would expect all the other camps to full. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 16:58:04 GMT
Ok, how many jews are you looking for in A_B. do you know who they are are and exactly how many and are you stating that they are buried in the boggy ground surrounding the camp? If there were no mass gassings, I would expect the Birkenau "Mexico" extension to have been completed and the camp to have 130,000 plus prisoners, not 9000. I would expect all the other camps to full. Ok, and those numbers could easily dissipate to the four winds in the last stages of the war. 130,000 is about two full soccer stadiums. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 17:04:43 GMT
If there were no mass gassings, I would expect the Birkenau "Mexico" extension to have been completed and the camp to have 130,000 plus prisoners, not 9000. I would expect all the other camps to full. Ok, and those numbers could easily dissipate to the four winds in the last stages of the war. 130,000 is about two full soccer stadiums.
You need evidence, not vague statements.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 19:21:49 GMT
Ok, and those numbers could easily dissipate to the four winds in the last stages of the war. 130,000 is about two full soccer stadiums.
You need evidence, not vague statements.
You have the right to make that statement credibly when you stop just asserting that these Jews are buried in Auschwitz. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 19:38:25 GMT
You need evidence, not vague statements.
You have the right to make that statement credibly when you stop just asserting that these Jews are buried in Auschwitz. I have never said they are buried there, you just made that up. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 19:49:09 GMT
You have the right to make that statement credibly when you stop just asserting that these Jews are buried in Auschwitz. I have never said they are buried there, you just made that up. Ok, where are these dead jews of Auschwitz? |
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