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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 13:38:24 GMT
Nessie wrote: If 164,700 Jews were liberated from the camps then it stands to reason that we have about 4,335,000 claimants who somehow escaped from or were given their freedom by the Germans. I believe that there are some 400,000 Jews in the U.S. who are currently being paid reparations by the Germans. Please evidence that 4,335,000 Jews escaped or were given their freedom. If that happened, it will be easy to evidence, since there are so many potential witnesses and of course, lots of Nazis and their records recording the escapes and liberations.
Please also evidence that in 1944, the camp population was at least 4.3 million Jews. That will again be easy to evidence, if it happened, due to lots of witnesses and camps and their records. A-B was the largest camp and in 1944 it had a population of c130,000, so you need to find another 33 camps the size of A-B, which is they existed would be easy to find.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 13:56:11 GMT
Nessie wrote: If 164,700 Jews were liberated from the camps then it stands to reason that we have about 4,335,000 claimants who somehow escaped from or were given their freedom by the Germans. I believe that there are some 400,000 Jews in the U.S. who are currently being paid reparations by the Germans. Please evidence that 4,335,000 Jews escaped or were given their freedom. If that happened, it will be easy to evidence, since there are so many potential witnesses and of course, lots of Nazis and their records recording the escapes and liberations.
Please also evidence that in 1944, the camp population was at least 4.3 million Jews. That will again be easy to evidence, if it happened, due to lots of witnesses and camps and their records. A-B was the largest camp and in 1944 it had a population of c130,000, so you need to find another 33 camps the size of A-B, which is they existed would be easy to find.
There is no requirement to evidence these numbers before evidencing that all these people existed in the time and space required in the first place. This was Hilberg's downfall. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 10, 2022 14:01:45 GMT
It's self evident. There are approximately 4.5 million Jews who collected or are collecting reparations for their suffering during the holyhoax. Those are individual claims and a matter of record. Hoaxsters claim that 5.5-6 million Jews were killed for a total of 10-10.5 million Jews that were under the control of the Germans. That was from a world population of about 17 million.
So, we have 4.5 million Jews who somehow escaped the Germans and lived to collect reparations. You claim that only 164,700 were liberated so where did the other 4.3 million come from?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 15:15:37 GMT
Please evidence that 4,335,000 Jews escaped or were given their freedom. If that happened, it will be easy to evidence, since there are so many potential witnesses and of course, lots of Nazis and their records recording the escapes and liberations.
Please also evidence that in 1944, the camp population was at least 4.3 million Jews. That will again be easy to evidence, if it happened, due to lots of witnesses and camps and their records. A-B was the largest camp and in 1944 it had a population of c130,000, so you need to find another 33 camps the size of A-B, which is they existed would be easy to find.
There is no requirement to evidence these numbers before evidencing that all these people existed in the time and space required in the first place. This was Hilberg's downfall. Nazgul has claimed 4.5 million Jews were liberated and went on to make claims. His claim has yet to be evidenced. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 15:18:41 GMT
It's self evident. There are approximately 4.5 million Jews who collected or are collecting reparations for their suffering during the holyhoax. Those are individual claims and a matter of record. Hoaxsters claim that 5.5-6 million Jews were killed for a total of 10-10.5 million Jews that were under the control of the Germans. That was from a world population of about 17 million. So, we have 4.5 million Jews who somehow escaped the Germans and lived to collect reparations. You claim that only 164,700 were liberated so where did the other 4.3 million come from? I can find evidence of 164,700 people (not all of whom were Jewish) being liberated from the major camps in 1945. Like you, I want to know where the other 4.3 million Jews supposedly liberated in 1945 came from. Have you got any evidence? You suggest they "escaped the Germans", so can you evidence the escapes, which were obviously massive, considering the numbers involved. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 15:52:46 GMT
There is no requirement to evidence these numbers before evidencing that all these people existed in the time and space required in the first place. This was Hilberg's downfall. Nazgul has claimed 4.5 million Jews were liberated and went on to make claims. His claim has yet to be evidenced. Why does it need to be evidenced? Do you have a better number? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 15:57:24 GMT
Nazgul has claimed 4.5 million Jews were liberated and went on to make claims. His claim has yet to be evidenced. Why does it need to be evidenced? Do you have a better number? I am presently evidencing how many were liberated at the end of the war. I have got to 164,700 liberated from various camps, not all of whom were Jewish.
I am not interested in unevidenced assertions and if you want to be taken seriously and be part of the debate, you need to understand that all claims need to be evidenced by the claimant.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 15:59:37 GMT
Why does it need to be evidenced? Do you have a better number? I am presently evidencing how many were liberated at the end of the war. I have got to 164,700 liberated from various camps, not all of whom were Jewish.
I am not interested in unevidenced assertions and if you want to be taken seriously and be part of the debate, you need to understand that all claims need to be evidenced by the claimant.
Of these 164700 how many were jewish? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 16:06:59 GMT
I am presently evidencing how many were liberated at the end of the war. I have got to 164,700 liberated from various camps, not all of whom were Jewish.
I am not interested in unevidenced assertions and if you want to be taken seriously and be part of the debate, you need to understand that all claims need to be evidenced by the claimant.
Of these 164700 how many were jewish? I do not have a precise figure, but from the sources I have read, it was the majority. For example, regarding the liberation of B-B;
"There were more than 60,000 emaciated prisoners in desperate need of sustenance and medical attention...As well as many Jews, the camp contained a cross-section of those the Nazis deemed inferior and enemies of their state. There were 20 nationalities altogether, in the most horrific conditions. Many had been marched from camps further east and then simply dumped at Belsen by their captors. Additionally, there was a Soviet prisoner-of-war camp attached, the inmates of which were also in an appalling state."
The source does not say how many of each.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 16:10:29 GMT
Of these 164700 how many were jewish? I do not have a precise figure, but from the sources I have read, it was the majority. For example, regarding the liberation of B-B;
"There were more than 60,000 emaciated prisoners in desperate need of sustenance and medical attention...As well as many Jews, the camp contained a cross-section of those the Nazis deemed inferior and enemies of their state. There were 20 nationalities altogether, in the most horrific conditions. Many had been marched from camps further east and then simply dumped at Belsen by their captors. Additionally, there was a Soviet prisoner-of-war camp attached, the inmates of which were also in an appalling state."
The source does not say how many of each.
Ok, so we can safely assert that of these 164700, given that we had 20 nationalities plus soviet PoWs, at most only 10% were jewish as a ballpark figure. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 16:37:14 GMT
I do not have a precise figure, but from the sources I have read, it was the majority. For example, regarding the liberation of B-B;
"There were more than 60,000 emaciated prisoners in desperate need of sustenance and medical attention...As well as many Jews, the camp contained a cross-section of those the Nazis deemed inferior and enemies of their state. There were 20 nationalities altogether, in the most horrific conditions. Many had been marched from camps further east and then simply dumped at Belsen by their captors. Additionally, there was a Soviet prisoner-of-war camp attached, the inmates of which were also in an appalling state."
The source does not say how many of each.
Ok, so we can safely assert that of these 164700, given that we had 20 nationalities plus soviet PoWs, at most only 10% were jewish as a ballpark figure. If you want to make that unevidenced assertion, be my guest. We have now got evidence that 16,470 Jews were liberated in 1945, out of the 4.5 million Nazgul claims were liberated. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 16:52:56 GMT
Ok, so we can safely assert that of these 164700, given that we had 20 nationalities plus soviet PoWs, at most only 10% were jewish as a ballpark figure. If you want to make that unevidenced assertion, be my guest. We have now got evidence that 16,470 Jews were liberated in 1945, out of the 4.5 million Nazgul claims were liberated. Wait, we now have evidence of 16,470 Jews simply because I asserted a 10% maximum? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 17:11:15 GMT
If you want to make that unevidenced assertion, be my guest. We have now got evidence that 16,470 Jews were liberated in 1945, out of the 4.5 million Nazgul claims were liberated. Wait, we now have evidence of 16,470 Jews simply because I asserted a 10% maximum? That is the problem with assertions, so how about you use evidence?
How many Jews were liberated at the end of the war?
Answer, with evidence.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 22:07:56 GMT
Wait, we now have evidence of 16,470 Jews simply because I asserted a 10% maximum? That is the problem with assertions, so how about you use evidence?
How many Jews were liberated at the end of the war?
Answer, with evidence.
If you read Dalton's summation you'll see why its pretty hard to put a figure on it with firm evidence. So it would be foolish and dishonest to put a firm figure on it. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 8:39:15 GMT
That is the problem with assertions, so how about you use evidence?
How many Jews were liberated at the end of the war?
Answer, with evidence.
If you read Dalton's summation you'll see why its pretty hard to put a figure on it with firm evidence. So it would be foolish and dishonest to put a firm figure on it. It is time-consuming, but not difficult, to go through all the camps liberated by the Allies and tally up how many people were liberated. That simple piece of evidencing would blow the Holocaust out of the water, since it stands to reason if millions of Jews and others were not killed in gas chambers and mass shootings, then millions were being held prisoner and would be liberated at the end of the war.
Your reluctance to look at that evidence speaks volumes. You know that only a few hundred thousand people at most were liberated and the Nazis had not been accommodating millions, which means you know they had been killing all of those people.
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