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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 15:45:12 GMT
What would your evidence be, that the camps were not death camps, despite all the witnesses who worked there saying they were death camps. The obviously reasonable and honorable nature of the SS as shown in the internal documents. Plus all the life saving measures. But all the Nazis who worked at the AR camps and A-B said that gassings took place. They are being truthful, in which case they are not honourable, or they are lying, in which case they are not honourable.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 16:30:44 GMT
The obviously reasonable and honorable nature of the SS as shown in the internal documents. Plus all the life saving measures. But all the Nazis who worked at the AR camps and A-B said that gassings took place. They are being truthful, in which case they are not honourable, or they are lying, in which case they are not honourable. They are under pressure, the internal documents have no such complications. The question of honour and virtue can only be tested where there exists no pressure logically.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 16:39:40 GMT
But all the Nazis who worked at the AR camps and A-B said that gassings took place. They are being truthful, in which case they are not honourable, or they are lying, in which case they are not honourable. They are under pressure, the internal documents have no such complications. The question of honour and virtue can only be tested where there exists no pressure logically. If the Nazis were honourable, they would not have all lied about seeing gassings, when there were no gassings.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 16:44:05 GMT
They are under pressure, the internal documents have no such complications. The question of honour and virtue can only be tested where there exists no pressure logically. If the Nazis were honourable, they would not have all lied about seeing gassings, when there were no gassings. For the sake of their lives and the lives of their families they certainly would, after all, for the most part it is they and they alone who's heads are on the block. Therefore their honour is intact.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 16:50:52 GMT
If the Nazis were honourable, they would not have all lied about seeing gassings, when there were no gassings. For the sake of their lives and the lives of their families they certainly would, after all, for the most part it is they and they alone who's heads are on the block. Therefore their honour is intact. There was no risk to them in 1960s Germany, when most were tried and they all admitted to gassings. You are claiming they are all liars and then they are all honourable.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 17:00:53 GMT
For the sake of their lives and the lives of their families they certainly would, after all, for the most part it is they and they alone who's heads are on the block. Therefore their honour is intact. There was no risk to them in 1960s Germany, when most were tried and they all admitted to gassings. You are claiming they are all liars and then they are all honourable. There was considerable risk to them in Germany, lying to protect yourself and your family is reasonable in the circumstances, does not dishonour them and doesnt turn them into murderers. They are all obviously men who operate to the highest standards, given their backgrounds.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 17:07:03 GMT
There was no risk to them in 1960s Germany, when most were tried and they all admitted to gassings. You are claiming they are all liars and then they are all honourable. There was considerable risk to them in Germany, lying to protect yourself and your family is reasonable in the circumstances, does not dishonour them and doesnt turn them into murderers. They are all obviously men who operate to the highest standards, given their backgrounds. According to you, they were all liars. Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 17:11:05 GMT
There was considerable risk to them in Germany, lying to protect yourself and your family is reasonable in the circumstances, does not dishonour them and doesnt turn them into murderers. They are all obviously men who operate to the highest standards, given their backgrounds. According to you, they were all liars. Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth. Nope, honourable men of the highest standard forced into a tricky legal trap doing the best for themselves and their families in the post war environment. I have not called them dirty little liars nor did I say they lacked backbone - that was you, here is the quote as above; " Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth."
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 17:12:58 GMT
According to you, they were all liars. Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth. Nope, honourable men of the highest standard forced into a tricky legal trap doing the best for themselves and their families in the post war environment. I have not called them dirty little liars nor did I say they lacked backbone - that was you, here is the quote as above; " Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth." I have called them dirty little liars who lacked the backbone to stand up and tell the truth. You find that honourable.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 17:16:45 GMT
Nope, honourable men of the highest standard forced into a tricky legal trap doing the best for themselves and their families in the post war environment. I have not called them dirty little liars nor did I say they lacked backbone - that was you, here is the quote as above; " Dirty little liars, who lacked the backbone and honesty to tell the truth." I have called them dirty little liars who lacked the backbone to stand up and tell the truth. You find that honourable. Against a court of law that asserts this crime took place it certainly is. I find these men honourable, not every action that they may have taken in their lives. As for judgements on backbone, if you have faced what they have faced you could credibly make such an assessment. Otherwise no.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 17:23:02 GMT
I have called them dirty little liars who lacked the backbone to stand up and tell the truth. You find that honourable. Against a court of law that asserts this crime took place it certainly is. I find these men honourable, not every action that they may have taken in their lives. As for judgements on backbone, if you have faced what they have faced you could credibly make such an assessment. Otherwise no. The defendants in the Belzec trial had a sympathetic hearing and were acquitted, yet according to you they chose to lie. That is not honourable.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 19:15:20 GMT
Against a court of law that asserts this crime took place it certainly is. I find these men honourable, not every action that they may have taken in their lives. As for judgements on backbone, if you have faced what they have faced you could credibly make such an assessment. Otherwise no. The defendants in the Belzec trial had a sympathetic hearing and were acquitted, yet according to you they chose to lie. That is not honourable. In fact it is honourable given the monstrous feature of the court. Giving an intentionally false statement is not dishonorable in this circumstance.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 11, 2022 19:36:14 GMT
The defendants in the Belzec trial had a sympathetic hearing and were acquitted, yet according to you they chose to lie. That is not honourable. In fact it is honourable given the monstrous feature of the court. Giving an intentionally false statement is not dishonorable in this circumstance. According to you, they lied and as a result the Nazis are now despised and that is somehow honourable.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 11, 2022 19:51:45 GMT
In fact it is honourable given the monstrous feature of the court. Giving an intentionally false statement is not dishonorable in this circumstance. According to you, they lied and as a result the Nazis are now despised and that is somehow honourable. Yes of course.
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