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Post by Nessie on Jan 7, 2022 13:15:19 GMT
In another thread Scott made an interesting comment;
"Even in the Unites States today, if you in all seriousness call for both sides of the Holocaust to be presented in the classroom, you will hit a hurricane of outrage from the Left and from the Jewish lobby, which overwhelmingly owns the corporate media â and then you will lose your job. Even tenured college professors like Arthur Butz at Northwestern have to stay silent on the subject."
Teaching is normally evidence based. But, as has been proved on numerous occasions, Holocaust denial is not evidence based. There are no witnesses, documents, physical or other form of evidence that something other than gassings took place at the AR camps, Chelmno or in the A-B Kremas.
Teachers will be quick to call out any argument that is a logical fallacy. So the denier claim that the way witnesses describe gassings, is physically impossible, therefore they all lied and there were no gassings, would not be acceptable in any classroom.
So, how would those who deny mass gassings teach in schools or universities, that mass gassings did not happen?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 8, 2022 11:45:21 GMT
This question has clearly flummoxed the deniers here.
How do you stand in front of a class of school or university students, and announce that all c2.5 million Jews who were where gas chambers were alleged to have been, have lied, either overtly or by omission, and they also forced all the Nazis to lie about gassings as well?
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 8, 2022 14:57:12 GMT
This question has clearly flummoxed the deniers here. How do you stand in front of a class of school or university students, and announce that all c2.5 million Jews who were where gas chambers were alleged to have been, have lied, either overtly or by omission, and they also forced all the Nazis to lie about gassings as well? One needs only to point out that the claims made for the holocaust are mostly impossibilities and couldn't have happened. On the contrary, exterminationists are stuck with having to defend those impossibilities. Try explaining to a math class that a dragline with a ~35 foot boom dug a pit 10X25X50 meters with no auxiliary equipment. You can't. Try explaining to a Physical Education class that a middle aged sedentary man got up from behind his desk and began running up to three marathons per day without even taking a drink of water. The students will laugh you out of the classrooms. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 8, 2022 15:25:59 GMT
This question has clearly flummoxed the deniers here. How do you stand in front of a class of school or university students, and announce that all c2.5 million Jews who were where gas chambers were alleged to have been, have lied, either overtly or by omission, and they also forced all the Nazis to lie about gassings as well? One needs only to point out that the claims made for the holocaust are mostly impossibilities and couldn't have happened. On the contrary, exterminationists are stuck with having to defend those impossibilities. Try explaining to a math class that a dragline with a ~35 foot boom dug a pit 10X25X50 meters with no auxiliary equipment. You can't. Try explaining to a Physical Education class that a middle aged sedentary man got up from behind his desk and began running up to three marathons per day without even taking a drink of water. The students will laugh you out of the classrooms.
A student asks you why do you take the witnesses literally, as if their estimations of the size of pits and how far they ran each day are 100% accurate?
A second student asks you to name an eyewitness to the use of a dragline to dig the pits.
A third student asks, what did happen?
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 8, 2022 15:41:33 GMT
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LOL! Nessie will explain what the witnesses actually said and then go on to give his version of how they made "mistakes", "exaggerated" and what they really meant when they recorded their outrageous lies. Yeah, good luck with that, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 8, 2022 16:37:24 GMT
Nessie wrote: LOL! Nessie will explain what the witnesses actually said and then go on to give his version of how they made "mistakes", "exaggerated" and what they really meant when they recorded their outrageous lies. Yeah, good luck with that, Nessie. What is your answer to the student, why do you take the witness estimations literally?
If deniers want their version of the Holocaust taught in schools and universities, you need to be able to answer the questions students will ask, or else you have no justification in asking to be allowed to teach.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 8, 2022 18:40:46 GMT
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Because that's what they wrote in their books, swore to in courts and gave in depositions. Your claim that they can't be taken literally is bullshit.
Your claim that anyone who teaches revisionist history must be able to answer in detail every single, solitary question raised is bullshit.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 8, 2022 19:15:17 GMT
Nessie wrote: Because that's what they wrote in their books, swore to in courts and gave in depositions. Your claim that they can't be taken literally is bullshit. Why do you think it is accurate to take their estimates literally? Have you any evidence that witnesses are good at accurately estimating distance or size? You should be able to answer the basic, obvious questions, like, what did happen? Otherwise, you have no place teaching in schools or at university. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 9, 2022 21:40:22 GMT
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Jews were sent to camps and then transported to other destinations. Just as the witnesses state and what is documented. Nessie will now wail, "Where did they goooooooooo?".
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Post by Nessie on Jan 10, 2022 8:51:44 GMT
Nessie wrote: Jews were sent to camps and then transported to other destinations. Just as the witnesses state and what is documented. Nessie will now wail, "Where did they goooooooooo?". We know where the ones who left the AR camps went, they went to labour camps in Poland. So, they were not resettled in the east.
Your students will ask why are you only able to evidence a tiny percentage of Jews being sent to other camps? They will want to know what happened to the rest. You will be expected to answer that question. Failure to answer that question means that you are unable to teach what happened, which is why you would not be allowed to teach your version of Holocaust.
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 14:29:41 GMT
In another thread Scott made an interesting comment;
"Even in the Unites States today, if you in all seriousness call for both sides of the Holocaust to be presented in the classroom, you will hit a hurricane of outrage from the Left and from the Jewish lobby, which overwhelmingly owns the corporate media â and then you will lose your job. Even tenured college professors like Arthur Butz at Northwestern have to stay silent on the subject."
Teaching is normally evidence based. But, as has been proved on numerous occasions, Holocaust denial is not evidence based. There are no witnesses, documents, physical or other form of evidence that something other than gassings took place at the AR camps, Chelmno or in the A-B Kremas.
Teachers will be quick to call out any argument that is a logical fallacy. So the denier claim that the way witnesses describe gassings, is physically impossible, therefore they all lied and there were no gassings, would not be acceptable in any classroom.
So, how would those who deny mass gassings teach in schools or universities, that mass gassings did not happen?
By simply stating that no gassed bodies were ever found, nor was any gas chamber, and in fact the actual documents show that the Germans took good care of their charges at this time. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 15:27:46 GMT
In another thread Scott made an interesting comment;
"Even in the Unites States today, if you in all seriousness call for both sides of the Holocaust to be presented in the classroom, you will hit a hurricane of outrage from the Left and from the Jewish lobby, which overwhelmingly owns the corporate media â and then you will lose your job. Even tenured college professors like Arthur Butz at Northwestern have to stay silent on the subject."
Teaching is normally evidence based. But, as has been proved on numerous occasions, Holocaust denial is not evidence based. There are no witnesses, documents, physical or other form of evidence that something other than gassings took place at the AR camps, Chelmno or in the A-B Kremas.
Teachers will be quick to call out any argument that is a logical fallacy. So the denier claim that the way witnesses describe gassings, is physically impossible, therefore they all lied and there were no gassings, would not be acceptable in any classroom.
So, how would those who deny mass gassings teach in schools or universities, that mass gassings did not happen?
By simply stating that no gassed bodies were ever found, nor was any gas chamber, and in fact the actual documents show that the Germans took good care of their charges at this time. "Simply stating" is only good enough for deniers. It is not good enough for any educational institution. Evidence is required. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 15:55:26 GMT
By simply stating that no gassed bodies were ever found, nor was any gas chamber, and in fact the actual documents show that the Germans took good care of their charges at this time. "Simply stating" is only good enough for deniers. It is not good enough for any educational institution. Evidence is required. Well, yes, but the holocaust is simply stated in the classroom. So a simple statement is a reasonable starting point, as for evidence one simply shows that the dead that are shown in the camps are emaciated, thus they died of typhus and starvation and then you can show the babies born in the camp and you can show the various life saving technologies in the camps. That's clearly enough. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 10, 2022 15:58:56 GMT
"Simply stating" is only good enough for deniers. It is not good enough for any educational institution. Evidence is required. Well, yes, but the holocaust is simply stated in the classroom. So a simple statement is a reasonable starting point, as for evidence one simply shows that the dead that are shown in the camps are emaciated, thus they died of typhus and starvation and then you can show the babies born in the camp and you can show the various life saving technologies in the camps. That's clearly enough. Any claim made, needs to be evidenced by the claimant. If the claim of no gassings is to be taught in schools and universities, then those claims need to be evidenced. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Feb 10, 2022 16:03:19 GMT
Well, yes, but the holocaust is simply stated in the classroom. So a simple statement is a reasonable starting point, as for evidence one simply shows that the dead that are shown in the camps are emaciated, thus they died of typhus and starvation and then you can show the babies born in the camp and you can show the various life saving technologies in the camps. That's clearly enough. Any claim made, needs to be evidenced by the claimant. If the claim of no gassings is to be taught in schools and universities, then those claims need to be evidenced. Why do you need to prove no gassings when you already have the methods of death and the life saving measures shown in film and picture? The evidence of what killed the jews and others in these camps is clearly shown. |
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